A Very Good "Must Read" from a Leftist Gunowner

[tricolordad]

I'm a liberal left wing gun addict democrat who proudly voted for Obama a second time. Also pro abortion - we're already overpopulated enough and if some of these nutso shooters had been aborted there'd be more folks alive today. You don't have to be a right wing conservative to honor the second amendment to the Constitution. Seems like the second amendment would be a lot safer if it had support from across the political spectrum and the right wing folks didn't claim it as their own and reject support from people with differing political view points.

Pro abortion huh? And yet there you are calling returning soldiers "baby killers". I blame you for that battery charge I got in 2008. Don't regret it. **** talk a soldier who nearly died AND lost friends fighting for your freedom, you ARE the enemy. Koolbota posted the link to your buddies. Feel free to leave and chat with the other hypocrites at that forum.

 

[wolf_fire]

I'm a liberal left wing gun addict democrat who proudly voted for Obama a second time. Also pro abortion - we're already overpopulated enough and if some of these nutso shooters had been aborted there'd be more folks alive today. You don't have to be a right wing conservative to honor the second amendment to the Constitution. Seems like the second amendment would be a lot safer if it had support from across the political spectrum and the right wing folks didn't claim it as their own and reject support from people with differing political view points.

So are you for reducing the population or against it. You contradict yourself in the same sentence. Also pro abortion - we're already overpopulated enough and if some of these nutso shooters had been aborted there'd be more folks alive today.

So your answer to what you conceive as the world's overpopulation is to kill any human being before it is born, but then again if you had then those "nutsos" wouldn't have been alive to kill those other people, but then you change face again and said then there'd be more folk alive????? WTF??

Do you have the ability to have a cognitive thought that makes any sense whatsoever? You're probably in Filthadephia right now supporting Dr. Gosnell aren't you?

The 2nd Amendment should have support from across the political spectrum. It's a right guaranteed by our Creator who gave us life. But since most democrats have such a strong disregard for life as is demonstrated by their immoral cheering for the killing of babies in utero, they don't seem to understand the concept of a right given to us by a Creator. Why is it that we live in a society where it seems to be socially acceptable, nay encouraged to kill human babies in the womb, but this same society has made it a crime to do the same to cows? This is how veal used to be harvested, but the FDA made it illegal. Therefore, we can abort our humans, just not our cows... it's too inhumane.

 

[wolf_fire]

You guys are NOT friendly.....was not America founded on the FREEDOM to espouse different points of view? Jeez Louise....if you think anyone who doesn't believe exactly as you do is your enemy you're gonna be very lonely. Its them dictatorships we've fought over the years that want everyone to believe the same. You far right wingers are as scary to me as I seem to be to you. My political viewpoints are hard won and moved from John Birch in my youth to liberal today.

The difference is we believe that ALL life has rights. When that baby's heartbeat is stopped, it's because someone killed it voluntarily; in other words, it was murdered. At what point do we ask the baby whether it wants to live or die?

The over 55 million abortions that have occurred have been for convenience's sake. I challenge you to come up with numbers that express how many of these abortions were to protect the mother's life.

 

[golocx4]

We can thank the liberal gun owners for a second Obama term. .

We have a lot of gun owners to thank for a second Obama term. Many stayed home.
Like it or not if you have a hidden want to own a gun, that decision hidden in the deep recesses of your id, ego and alter ego has become political. It always was political.
Many gun owners didn't realize it until 2013 and many don't yet realize it because they walk around life with ear buds in listening to their personally designed play list.
Go to a Gun rights meeting and what do you find.
20 to 30 year olds maybe 2
30 to 40 year olds none
40 to 50 year olds 20% of the crowd
50 and above all the rest and most of those are over 60.

We are doomed and the progressives know it. They knew that if Obama was re-elected they would have to go ALL IN! They didn't waste any time and they aren't done yet.

ps. If you live in a Blue State, you have a large megatropoilis in your state that ACORN using Federal Grant money, is it present, under different names now. And your state considers showing a ID at the polls as discrimination. (unregistered and illegals have a right to vote damn it)

 

[BluesStringer]

Prattle on, if you must Blues. I'm finished with the thread because of knee-jerk reaction, bellicose bravado, and grandstanding, capiche?

No, I don't capiche at all. The guy you posted a link to claimed his personal devastation over his state's new restrictions on abortion. He did that as a way to establish his "far left" (his words, not mine) bonafides to the audience he was trying to reach. HE brought up the abortion issue, not me. Yet here you are implying that my other-than-surface deep analysis of his piece is a knee-jerk reaction, that my pro-life stance is "bellicose bravado and grandstanding." Then comes along another genocidal maniac who claims to be pro-2nd Amendment, but states unequivocally that abortion should be used for population control, and here you are again bustin' my chops for exposing his deviant and evil agenda. So no, I don't capiche at all. I have stuck to the topic(s) laid out within the article you linked to like glue. I have made not one single personal criticism of you, only of the piece you said was a "A Very Good 'Must Read'" article. I did exactly what you asked, I read it and I discussed it. You have bailed and gone out of your way to insult me because I didn't allow you to limit my opinion of the piece to one narrow subject that the author did not likewise limit his opinions to!

Get this: The party of the left is anti-gun, anti-2nd Amendment, anti-freedom, and anti-life. That is the truth whether you wish to name the truth or run from it as you are doing now. If there is a minuscule minority among that party of people like your "must read" author and our resident eugenicist Riverkilt who loudly and proudly proclaim that they support gun rights, but also support leftist ideals and candidates, a complete and total oxymoron by the way, that minority doesn't change the truth about the party they support.

So either run away whining because I've forced you to face the truth, or come back and discuss your "must read" link with a modicum of intellectual honesty. Doesn't matter to me, but understand, running from the truth is the only knee-jerk reaction I've seen in this thread. It is indeed a bellicose reality that people so fear truth that they refuse to expose themselves to it. Capiche?

Blues

ETA:

And by the way, thanks for the advice on posting my reply on his site. Immediately after hitting "Post Reply" here, I did exactly what you suggested (without needing any advice from anyone), and as you can see, the post is still "Awaiting moderation" some five or six hours after I posted it.....

Any bets on whether that post will pass moderation?

Here's a surprise - It's still "awaiting moderation" after two full days. Apparently your "must read" author can't face honest discussion of his views anymore than you can r1derbike.

 

[escapedthematrix]

You guys are NOT friendly.....was not America founded on the FREEDOM to espouse different points of view? Jeez Louise....if you think anyone who doesn't believe exactly as you do is your enemy you're gonna be very lonely. Its them dictatorships we've fought over the years that want everyone to believe the same. You far right wingers are as scary to me as I seem to be to you. My political viewpoints are hard won and moved from John Birch in my youth to liberal today.

The John Birchers weren't "radical" enough for you huh. Its really "radical" to want liberty huh? Those crazy John Birch Society nuts trying to expose a one world, technocratic government...... I suppose you found something more that you like with the Weathermen? Do you know how the Weathermen talked about rounding up consertive, libertarians, Rightwing type people to put them in re-ecucation camps? They ran into logistical problems however when they decided that 10s of millions of people would not go along with it and would have to be ummmm neutralized. Look, Thomas Jefferson was a liberal. The term has changed meaning to now encompas everything "collectivest". I am sick of people associating pro abortion with being liberal. You people are not liberal.... Your ideas are based on Malthusian ideology. And you think we are overpopulated? What about the elite creating artifical scarcity? You people who think you are liberal but are actually Collectivest, authoritarian Malthus followers and do not even know it are completely short sighted and ignorant.

 

[r1derbike]

No, I don't capiche at all. The guy you posted a link to claimed his personal devastation over his state's new restrictions on abortion. He did that as a way to establish his "far left" (his words, not mine) bonafides to the audience he was trying to reach. HE brought up the abortion issue, not me. Yet here you are implying that my other-than-surface deep analysis of his piece is a knee-jerk reaction, that my pro-life stance is "bellicose bravado and grandstanding." Then comes along another genocidal maniac who claims to be pro-2nd Amendment, but states unequivocally that abortion should be used for population control, and here you are again bustin' my chops for exposing his deviant and evil agenda. So no, I don't capiche at all. I have stuck to the topic(s) laid out within the article you linked to like glue. I have made not one single personal criticism of you, only of the piece you said was a "A Very Good 'Must Read'" article. I did exactly what you asked, I read it and I discussed it. You have bailed and gone out of your way to insult me because I didn't allow you to limit my opinion of the piece to one narrow subject that the author did not likewise limit his opinions to!

Get this: The party of the left is anti-gun, anti-2nd Amendment, anti-freedom, and anti-life. That is the truth whether you wish to name the truth or run from it as you are doing now. If there is a minuscule minority among that party of people like your "must read" author and our resident eugenicist Riverkilt who loudly and proudly proclaim that they support gun rights, but also support leftist ideals and candidates, a complete and total oxymoron by the way, that minority doesn't change the truth about the party they support.

So either run away whining because I've forced you to face the truth, or come back and discuss your "must read" link with a modicum of intellectual honesty. Doesn't matter to me, but understand, running from the truth is the only knee-jerk reaction I've seen in this thread. It is indeed a bellicose reality that people so fear truth that they refuse to expose themselves to it. Capiche?

Blues

ETA:



Here's a surprise - It's still "awaiting moderation" after two full days. Apparently your "must read" author can't face honest discussion of his views anymore than you can r1derbike.

Sorry you feel so slapped-around Blues. You might as well be talking to a brick wall. I've already given my stand on abortion earlier in the thread, in case you missed it. Continue preaching to the choir.

 

[BluesStringer]

Sorry you feel so slapped-around Blues. You might as well be talking to a brick wall. I've already given my stand on abortion earlier in the thread, in case you missed it. Continue preaching to the choir.

Yes, you did say you "abhor" abortion, just a sentence or two before you called my stated abhorrence of it a "tirade."

In that same post you said, "You are correct that the article was linked to show that at least one leftist shares gun views that we on the right do...."

I addressed that quote, and subsequent statements of a similar thought, at least as much as I've addressed the author's broaching of the subject of abortion, umm....in case you missed that. In fact, I addressed that from the very first mention of his supposed pro-2A "support" by pointing out his view that 50 different states having 50 different sets of laws that he referred to as nothing more than "reasonable guidelines" is anything but a view that "we on the right" share with anybody, leftist or otherwise. The 2A applies to us all, no matter which state we reside in, no matter which party we choose to affiliate ourselves with, and no matter how wrong that hack was in calling laws that not only can, but have allowed individual jurisdictions to make felons out of gun owners over just innocuous "reasonable guidelines" was.

I correctly identified his intended audience not to be "we on the right," but rather, his leftist contemporaries who he was attempting to teach how to be better leftists. He didn't try to convince them to drop their insipid, wrong-headed opposition to the 2A, he only tried to point out the fallacies of the arguments they consistently get caught disingenuously promulgating.

You bragging that I'm "talking to a brick wall" just confirms what I said, you don't like the truth, you can't handle the truth, so you put your hands over your ears and scream "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA" like some Saturday Night Live skit until someone stops speaking the truth right out in the open. The nerve of me to speak the truth after you've already said you're done, huh? You keep saying you're done, but then come back just to say you're done again! That's why I asked, "Are you new?" Because you obviously have no clue how to discuss a topic that you yourself posted up to be discussed on a discussion forum.

You said at one point that "rebuttals do nothing to advance what the OP was about..."

Here is all I or anyone else had to go on as far as "what the OP was all about:"

A Very Good "Must Read" from a Leftist Gunowner
____________________________________________

Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argument | Kontradictions
​

That's it. No commentary at all from you, so the only thing "the OP was all about" was here, read this then discuss if you'd like to. So I discussed, you got your panties in a bunch, and here we are where it's now your turn to say for the third or fourth time that you are done, you refuse to discuss any of the valid criticisms I have raised about the piece, or provide counter-point if you think my criticisms are invalid.

If your "must read" author is a gun supporter, then this guy is a big-time golf-supporter:

Blues

 

[golocx4]

If your "must read" author is a gun supporter, then this guy is a big-time golf-supporter:

Blues

Now that is funny. I don't care who you are. That is funny.

 

[r1derbike]

Yes, you did say you "abhor" abortion, just a sentence or two before you called my stated abhorrence of it a "tirade."

In that same post you said, "You are correct that the article was linked to show that at least one leftist shares gun views that we on the right do...."

I addressed that quote, and subsequent statements of a similar thought, at least as much as I've addressed the author's broaching of the subject of abortion, umm....in case you missed that. In fact, I addressed that from the very first mention of his supposed pro-2A "support" by pointing out his view that 50 different states having 50 different sets of laws that he referred to as nothing more than "reasonable guidelines" is anything but a view that "we on the right" share with anybody, leftist or otherwise. The 2A applies to us all, no matter which state we reside in, no matter which party we choose to affiliate ourselves with, and no matter how wrong that hack was in calling laws that not only can, but have allowed individual jurisdictions to make felons out of gun owners over just innocuous "reasonable guidelines" was.

I correctly identified his intended audience not to be "we on the right," but rather, his leftist contemporaries who he was attempting to teach how to be better leftists. He didn't try to convince them to drop their insipid, wrong-headed opposition to the 2A, he only tried to point out the fallacies of the arguments they consistently get caught disingenuously promulgating.

You bragging that I'm "talking to a brick wall" just confirms what I said, you don't like the truth, you can't handle the truth, so you put your hands over your ears and scream "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA" like some Saturday Night Live skit until someone stops speaking the truth right out in the open. The nerve of me to speak the truth after you've already said you're done, huh? You keep saying you're done, but then come back just to say you're done again! That's why I asked, "Are you new?" Because you obviously have no clue how to discuss a topic that you yourself posted up to be discussed on a discussion forum.

You said at one point that "rebuttals do nothing to advance what the OP was about..."

Here is all I or anyone else had to go on as far as "what the OP was all about:"

A Very Good "Must Read" from a Leftist Gunowner
____________________________________________

Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argument | Kontradictions
​

That's it. No commentary at all from you, so the only thing "the OP was all about" was here, read this then discuss if you'd like to. So I discussed, you got your panties in a bunch, and here we are where it's now your turn to say for the third or fourth time that you are done, you refuse to discuss any of the valid criticisms I have raised about the piece, or provide counter-point if you think my criticisms are invalid.

If your "must read" author is a gun supporter, then this guy is a big-time golf-supporter:

Blues

Heh-heh. Blues, you may certainly turn a mole hill into a mountain, at the least humorous provocation. There is no discussion from me. The link was given to show a leftist gun owner's thoughts about guns. You and others have turned it into an anti-abortion, leftist slamfest. Your prerogative. Rant, rave, act like an elementary school student with some of your replies, do whatever you want. I have no interest discussing it, whether you find that personally acceptable or not. Drink a cool one. Chill out. Find another fish to reel-in.

 

[kerb]

Blues, I'm glad you posted your reply to the article I linked. Killing the messenger was a humorous barb at you turning the link I posted into a tome of anti-abortion, anti-left spewing. Your parsing and tit-for-tatting of words (you said this, I'm saying that) rebuttals do nothing to advance what the OP was about, so at this point, I'm done with our discussion about it. Carry on. I don't remember when I've posted something to show common ground between gun owners, turn into such an anti-left ballgame; I passed the ball, it was caught, and run out of the stadium with the wrong message intended attached to it.

Where was the common ground supposed to be in that article? There is no common ground on gun control. I'll ignore for now that the author is telling the gun grabbers to lie in order to advance their aims.

I'm a liberal left wing gun addict democrat who proudly voted for Obama a second time. Also pro abortion - we're already overpopulated enough and if some of these nutso shooters had been aborted there'd be more folks alive today. You don't have to be a right wing conservative to honor the second amendment to the Constitution. Seems like the second amendment would be a lot safer if it had support from across the political spectrum and the right wing folks didn't claim it as their own and reject support from people with differing political view points.

One can only hope that the left wing liberal gun addict democrat Obama fans abort yourselves to extinction before you totally screw things up for the rest of us. Not sure if that would be poetic justice or darwinism?

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[golocx4]

My 2 cents. The author is an example of what I have always said.
Not all Democrats are Anti 2A zealots but almost all Anti 2A zealots are Democrat.
You can substitute Liberal Progressive, gay, low information, black etc.
This person likes to shoot, and likes guns.
She (I am assuming the author is female), I mean really, is it even permissible to mention a persons gender anymore? She is probably under 30 recently graduated from University. One or more degrees in something not business related. Considers herself (opps I did it again) a liberal because almost everyone in her situation is just about the same. Hell when I was young and stupid I considered myself a liberal.
I was stupid enough in my 20's that fell for a lot of liberal lies.

I heard a guy on the radio around 1972 talking about queer bashing. (the term used back then) He said people that are afraid of homosexuals are deep down afraid that they are also homosexual. I said okay live and let live. (LATER IS WAS COINED AS HOMOPHOBIA, and was part of the hypnotizing efforts) Years later my Police duties involved me with the gay community and I soon realized that the guy I heard on the radio was full of schidt. These people were perverted. Their whole existence revolved around achieving the ultimate orgasm. I mean I like sex too but it was not the focus of my daily life.

Her pro abortion stance is because she has been hypnotized into thinking it is a women's health issue when it is nothing of the sort. Abortion is a MALE SEX issue wrapped up in BS and made to smell like flowers. Abortion is about male sex!
Roe v Wade gave males the right to have unlimited and responsibility free sex, beginning at any age and with as many women as possible. If you get the happen to impregnate the beeach, make her kill it. It's okay no guilt for da man. In fact you it is just another notch, and once again the orgasm is dictating public policy and moral decline. The benefit to the liberals was population control of certain unwanted minorities. (their words not mine)

Women are now diminished to the same level as a man with the idea that they can now hook up with as many men as they want with no repercussions. Congratulation women you are now the same as men. Whoopdy friggin doo. So the next time you are out with your girlfriends have them pull your finger.

As the author gets older and obtains more responsibility her liberal bent will start to diminish. She has probably just finished 4 or 6 years of immersion of Marxism - environmentalism - and secularism. She hates conservatism because she has been told to, but she writes well.
She has presented a well founded and fact based argument for not implementing more gun control. Perhaps her fellow leftists will listen to one of their own because when we try and talk to them all they see is camo wearing red necks with bibles and guns and the are sore afraid. (HOPLOPHOBIA)

Again all I am saying is Not all Democrats are anti gun but 99.9% of all anti gunners are democrats.
just as not all dems are liberal progressive but all liberal progressives are democrats.

 

[fstroupe]

The author is a fool. How could you love guns and vote for someone who wants to take them....and be considered intelligent?

 

[tricolordad]

The author is a fool. How could you love guns and vote for someone who wants to take them....and be considered intelligent?

I had that conversation with an alleged 2A supporter yesterday. Obviously it degenerated to her calling me a bunch of names, but that only proves my point that Obutthole supporters are stupid. I shook her hand and politely thanked her for making an ass out of herself and carried on that-a-way. ------>

 

[Riverkilt]

You right side guys baffle me with your illogical "logic." I was around in the days of the back alley coat hanger abortions. Abortion is gonna happen whether its legal or not. Its a woman's choice. As for more people being alive if some of the mass murderers had been aborted that's not contradictory to over population because murder is not a form of population control unless done en masse by some dictator wanting to kill all the "different" people.

I think rampant paranoia and hate are far greater dangers to this country. America was founded on freedom, E Pluribus Unim, accepting each other, working together. Its the right wing tea party nut cases that have turned their backs on this nation's founding principles. A boon for political comedians, but nothing else.

 

[fuhr52]

As for more people being alive if some of the mass murderers had been aborted that's not contradictory to over population because murder is not a form of population control unless done en mass by some dictator wanting to kill all the "different" people.

Interesting statement. So abortion isn't murder. What is it that a human fetus develops into? Is it only human if it draws a breathe? If that's true why is the murder of a pregnant female considered a double homicide? So easy to be liberal, no responsibility.

 

[escapedthematrix]

You right side guys baffle me with your illogical "logic." I was around in the days of the back alley coat hanger abortions. Abortion is gonna happen whether its legal or not. Its a woman's choice. As for more people being alive if some of the mass murderers had been aborted that's not contradictory to over population because murder is not a form of population control unless done en masse by some dictator wanting to kill all the "different" people.

I think rampant paranoia and hate are far greater dangers to this country. America was founded on freedom, E Pluribus Unim, accepting each other, working together. Its the right wing tea party nut cases that have turned their backs on this nation's founding principles. A boon for political comedians, but nothing else.

First I want to point out the fact that we all are living in a controled paradigm of Left vs Right designed to divide and conquer the citizens. The Elite class have always waged war on the rest of the population and they understand that if they can get into positions of control in a country's government they can easily push certain agenda's. This could be by controling the issuance of currency which in the case of the U.S would be the Privately run Federal Reserve Bank. It could be by directly controling the presidency or other posisition of power. The queen controling the prime minister of England is an example. The more overt way they wage war on us is by the use of corporations and their subsequent lobbies in washington used to alter and create policies which benefit them while being detramental to our freedoms and liberties usually. Now, how have the majority of we so called right side guys who post here shown any type of illogic ideas? As far as paranoia..... Yes, we absolutely need to be paraniod of any type of elected government and it is our duty to consantly be vigillant and keep our elected servents in check. As far as hate..... Please show us an example. I didn't know that being passionate about ones beliefs is considered hate. And now for the kicker.... There is an agenda to bring in a New World Order. This is a system of government which is homogenious accross the board and is meant to control the population; a small population I might add with Eugenics being at the heart of this one world order. What does all of this have to do with abortion you ask? If you can get a society to disregard what it should hold most dear, their future, then it is possible to get them to accept almost anything under the guise of being liberal, loving and for the earth. Sir, the tea party is not your enemy, we righties are not your enemy, anti abortionists are not your enemy. It is my perception that most everyone who post here want for you the same thing they want for themselves; life, liberty and the persuit of happiness. Your enemy is stealthy and they keep thier colors hidden. Wake up and see them for who they are

 

[Ringo]

God created HELL for a very good reason. :yes4:

 

[tricolordad]

You right side guys baffle me with your illogical "logic." I was around in the days of the back alley coat hanger abortions. Abortion is gonna happen whether its legal or not. Its a woman's choice. As for more people being alive if some of the mass murderers had been aborted that's not contradictory to over population because murder is not a form of population control unless done en masse by some dictator wanting to kill all the "different" people.

I think rampant paranoia and hate are far greater dangers to this country. America was founded on freedom, E Pluribus Unim, accepting each other, working together. Its the right wing tea party nut cases that have turned their backs on this nation's founding principles. A boon for political comedians, but nothing else.

Just because some people will still do it doesn't make it right. You leftists lack a clear understanding of right and wrong. By legalizing it, you libtards have made a statement encouraging women to do the wrong thing. It's like saying, "go ahead, **** everybody. Don't take the 5 seconds to use a rubber, you can kill your baby if you don't feel like taking care of it." You whores do know that you can put a rubber on with your mouth, right?

 

[golocx4]

As for more people being alive if some of the mass murderers had been aborted that's not contradictory to over population because murder is not a form of population control unless done en masse by some dictator wanting to kill all the "different" people.

Who Said "Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of."

An ubber liberal in high places perhaps?