corneileous
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I'd love to but ya know, "somebody" gets butt hurt when rights are questioned and appear to be stepped on.
10-4 on the stupid part.
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Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?
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I'd love to but ya know, "somebody" gets butt hurt when rights are questioned and appear to be stepped on.
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Look at Newtown CT. Where that disturbed ******* when to shoot up the school where young children and teachers with only their words to stop him once he entered. They found one such teacher shot dead why attempting to speak to the ******* and teacher after teacher were shot dead as well as 20 kids. Why so much death? Because there was not one person with a firearm. I'd like to see if you can name one mass shooting that didn't happen in a Gun Free Zone?
I don't know anyone who doesn't second guess going to the movies etc. I don't personally give a **** when I see a sign that says "Gun Free Zone" I take my firearm with me unless it a Government building that's the only time I leave my firearm in the car.
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corneileous
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That's just it, unless the gun free zone is on/in private property, "he" doesn't care.
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Bikenut
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To vmgram427:
You, and everyone else, has the opportunity to make your own decisions. I personally don't like gun free zones whether they be mandated by law of if they are a private property owner's policy/rule. But during the conversation in this thread I have been referring to the hypocrisy of folks demanding their right to bear arms be respected while disrespecting the property owner's right to deny entry to those who carry guns.
I not only respect the property owner's right to deny entry to those who carry guns I also do not see the logic in spending my money and increasing the profits of said property owner so he can open another business with a no guns rule/policy.
To corneileous:
Can't leave it alone can you? Very sad.
corneileous
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Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?
Was I talking to you? Just because I made one little bitty comment that may have "referred" to you does not mean at all, not one little bit that I wish to revive this poor dead horse of a subject with you just so you can beat the phuck out of it some more and give you something else to persistently and mindlessly argue about. But you know, it's rather hypocritical and funny as hell that you would throw that card and give me crap about not letting it go when you proved so viciously that have no room to talk since you simply refused to let it go here the first time and in the nationwide reciprocity thread when I clearly asked out of your little discussion.
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Was I talking to you? Just because I made one little bitty comment that may have "referred" to you does not mean at all, not one little bit that I wish to revive this poor dead horse of a subject with you just so you can beat the phuck out of it some more and give you something else to persistently and mindlessly argue about. But you know, it's rather hypocritical and funny as hell that you would throw that card and give me crap about not letting it go when you proved so viciously that have no room to talk since you simply refused to let it go here the first time and in the nationwide reciprocity thread when I clearly asked out of your little discussion.
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Bikenut
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Making a snide remark about me and passing it off as not being addressed to me is typical passive aggressive behavior.
Again, you do not have the power to decree who's posts I decide to respond to. You are just not that important.
Just like in the Nationwide Reciprocity thread where you ended up begging for someone to talk to me about the thread's topic, the topic I repeatedly tried to bring the discussion back to despite your best efforts to continue to sideline it, I will let folks base their opinion of you based on your own posts.
And, just like in the other thread it isn't necessary for me to bow to your demands to stop replying to your insults and ridicule... all that is necessary is for you to stop posting with insults and ridicule even if by snide reference.
Now would you like to politely discuss the negative, or positive, aspects of disrespecting the private property owner's right to deny entry to folks who carry guns while expecting that property owner to respect the right to bear arms? If so I am more than willing to engage in such a discussion.
corneileous
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Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?
You sure do worry about other people's opinions, don't you? Or are you just trying to prove a point in which you are loosing desperately?
So ya see, we have nothing more to discuss.
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You earned that snide remark long time ago. Don't like it? Deal with it. Or just keep arguing with me like you so diligently love to do apparently.
I don't give a sh!t who you respond to. Never have, either. Don't know why you foolishly keep thinking I care.
I beg to differ, you sure do a good job proving otherwise. If I'm so unimportant why don't you just ignore me and at least attempt to prove that true by not responding?
Begging?...lol. I don't think I'd hardly refer to it as begging. That was just merely a poor attempt at humor just so you'd quit bugging me and to go irritate someone else. And no, I wasn't trying to sideline the discussion just as you are trying to do AGAIN, right NOW. If you're worried about sidelining a discussion you could've stopped anytime, bud. I even asked you to leave it be but you ferociously refused.
You sure do worry about other people's opinions, don't you? Or are you just trying to prove a point in which you are loosing desperately?
Lol, whatever. Full of yourself, aren't ya?
Nope. Already tried once. Don't care to do it again. Don't care about the little signs and and your puny little feelers about these bozo's property rights about it. And no, I don't give a rat's furry butt about what those anti-gunners think either. They wanna disrespect my gun rights, fine, let 'em. They're gonna do it anyway regardless.
So ya see, we have nothing more to discuss.
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Bikenut
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If you don't want to discuss ... sneaking.. a gun into/onto private property where the owner has exercised his right to deny entry to those who carry guns then I suggest you.... leave it be. However, I still would like to discuss the original topic of this thread with anyone who is willing to politely explore that subject.
corneileous
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Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?
Oh and by the way...... the original subject of this thread is about asking who continues to conceal carry in a "no carry business"..... not about property owners rights. That little tangent was created by none other than.... you so.... I suggest if that's what you wish to continue bitc-er... I mean... talk about... then go make a new topic about how bad you think it is for us defensive... concealed carriers carrying in a... "no guns" business...
Alrighty then... love to.
Best of luck to you with that. This thread was.... dead for a little over a month until vmgram427 finally responded to you. Maybe there's still..... hope for you after all to be able to continue preaching your little feelings and concerns... to whoever else wants to listen to it about the poor, poor little business owners who constantly get their little "no guns" rights.... trampled on by the good guys.... because they (the business owners) think those little signs work to keep out the bad guy.....
Oh and by the way...... the original subject of this thread is about asking who continues to conceal carry in a "no carry business"..... not about property owners rights. That little tangent was created by none other than.... you so.... I suggest if that's what you wish to continue bitc-er... I mean... talk about... then go make a new topic about how bad you think it is for us defensive... concealed carriers carrying in a... "no guns" business...
PhillySoldier
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If I'm there, it probably shouldnt be considered a gun free zone...
corneileous
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Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?
The only way to make it totally a true blue, through and through, one hundred percent, gun free zone would be for the gun-hatin business owner to make sure ALL guns stay out.
The only way to make it totally a true blue, through and through, one hundred percent, gun free zone would be for the gun-hatin business owner to make sure ALL guns stay out.
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Bikenut
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Again I leave it to folks to compare your posts and mine to determine who wishes to politely discuss carrying guns into, as you call them, "no carry business" and who just can't resist responding with insults and ridicule.
As for the original subject of "Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses"...
Any and all subjects related to carrying a gun into a private property owner's business that has a no guns policy/rule, including how gun carriers who expect their right to bear arms be respected by others yet disrespect the private property rights of business owners by... sneaking.. their gun into private property with a no guns policy/rule being hypocritical, is fair game for discussion since a discussion forum's purpose is to ... discuss. But then, you do not have to discuss that if you don't wish to.... especially since you just said:
Now whether or not you live up to what I just quoted you as saying..... One can only hope.
Genasi
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I do. I don't make it a problem for them and they don't make it a problem for me
Concealed means concealed. In my state, if they ask you to leave, you leave.
I vote with my wallet, daily. Any business that doesn't respect my rights to carry
will lose the business to a direct competitor. Notice that Home Depot, Lowes, Wal-Mart, etc,
don't post signs like these?
I vote with my wallet, daily. Any business that doesn't respect my rights to carry
will lose the business to a direct competitor. Notice that Home Depot, Lowes, Wal-Mart, etc,
don't post signs like these?
Rhino
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That isn't possible unless all criminals by some miracle decide to start obeying the law, which we all know isn't going to happen. That's the inescapable fact those business owners seem to be blissfully unaware of. Those signs don't keep guns out unless they're carried by law abiding citizens, who by definition don't constitute the danger the business owners are trying to prevent. There are also some business owners who are aware that their signs don't deter criminals, but still post the premises simply as a political statement. That's willful stupidity.
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That's the point that many seem to be missing here. Bikenut isn't supporting people who post their premises as gun-free zones, as some seem to be implying. On the contrary, he advises doing exactly what you're saying. Take your business elsewhere. Bikenut is really just stating a few simple points. It's hypocritical to demand your rights be respected while thinking the rights of others should be ignored. He's not calling those people correct or even respectable by creating gun free zones. He's merely pointing out the facts that they have the right to do so, and that in many places you'd be breaking the law in addition to disrespecting their rights. Many here seem to think he's supporting gun free zones or the people who create them, but he isn't doing anything of the sort. There are many people in this country who profess and advocate things that I find reprehensible, but I recognize their right to do so. Doing otherwise would be in direct contradiction to the principles this country was founded on. Bikenut isn't doing any differently here. He doesn't like or support those people, but he's acknowledging they have a right to do it. He also points out that it's hypocritical to willfully disrespect their rights while demanding that your rights be respected. That isn't an insult, though many seem to be taking it as one. I engage in the very same hypocritical type of behavior that he's talking about. I try to respect the rights of others and take my business elsewhere whenever possible, but I do sometimes defy those signs when I'm left with little other chance. I don't disrespect their right to create gun-free zones, but when faced with a situation that puts myself or my family in danger I choose to err on the side of personal safety. I'm not hypocritical so much in the sense that I feel disrespectful for their rights. I'm just forced to disregard their right when having to choose the avenue I have available to insure my safety and the safety of my family. Those people may be in the wrong or horribly misguided in what they're doing, but they do have the right to do it. By pointing that fact out Bikenut isn't supporting them in any way. He's simply pointing out they have those rights, at least in some jurisdictions. I don't think it's correct to provide a statutory avenue for those people to discriminate in that way, but I don't write the law. I'd be more than happy to see that statutory support for gun-free zones go away, and I imagine Bikenut wouldn't be opposed to such an idea. I'm sure there'd be lots of interesting discussion and debate about making gun carriers a protected class as such, but he would support that right too should we ever manage to achieve that goal. In any case, some here need to understand that acknowledging and respecting the rights of others doesn't mean they support them.
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I despise Chuck Schumer and sincerely wish he would shut up, but I fully acknowledge that he has a right to say what he wants. And yes, it would be hypocritical for me to say he doesn't have the right to speak when I or others do, even though I can't stand listening to him. But I can change the channels just as I can patronize places that aren't gun free zones. So I don't understand why so many people are attacking Bikenut when he's making the same points about gun rights. He and I may not see perfectly eye to eye on everything, but that is no reason to attack him. And if some here can't accept that others are allowed to differ with us, then what the heck are they doing on an internet forum?
HKS
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That would require armed guards with an xray station same as the TSA at airports -- and even then some guns still get through -- via back doors etc.
corneileous
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Well, either way, both store owners are pretty stupid, whether it's store owner A), who thinks his sign works and store owner B), who knows his sign doesn't work but he's more concerned about making a political statement rather than realizing he's a dumbarse for actually attracting armed robbery because he's making himself an easy target.
Well, I ain't gonna comment too much on this part except to say that I think the point was made several times over about these store owners rights. Big deal. That, and the fact that it's kinda odd and extremely outta place in my opinion to defend gun hating store owners rights on what seems to be a fairly pro second amendment gun forum, to tell defensive carriers to disarm because they think real criminals will follow suit as well.
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Well said Rhino. That is what I've been explaining all along although I would not be in favor of gun carriers becoming one of those protected classes since those protected classes laws are just as much an infringement upon property rights as gun control laws are upon the right to keep and bear arms.
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