What Happens to Us When We Die?

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Men controlling the masses spewing their belief OR want of the continue control of those masses in the name of God, Allah, Buddha...ect. For those that truly believe, It is the individual that surrenders to God of the Bible. And by surrendering, you actually win. Beware of false god's and prophets. Men controlling humanity has been a life long intrusion upon the individual and God. The battle continues.......
 
Sure you can: 3 - 4 = (-1)
And a double-negative is a positive: 3 -(-4) = 7
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This logic applies to many things.
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When one says "I don't have any money" he's saying he has no money.
When one says "I don't have no money" he's actually saying he has money (double-negative).

Can you prove you're NOT insane?

Conversely, can you PROVE that god exists? You might be able to prove that he exists TO YOU, but that is all because that is subjective.

By the way, for the record, I don't think you're insane. That was just an example.
 
Those that are blind can't see. Those that chose to keep their eyes closed won't see.

And then there are those who see only what they want to see. Or what they are told to see.

Personally, I think I'm a very open minded person. If I were presented with convincing, irrefutable evidence that god existed, I would concede the point. Christians, in general, won't listen to any other point of view. They refuse to concede that the possibility exists that there is no god.

Of course, I'm painting with an extremely broad brush here.
 
You paint your picture, I'll paint mine. I would sooner to have in my heart the belief then be left with the thought of being just dust in the wind. I cannot fathom the mathematical probabilities of us evolving from the "primordial ooze" verses a loving God's creation. We were created, not evolved.
I'm not here to convert, just saying what I believe and trust. You believe as you believe. I'm not here to force feed anybody.
God of the Bible is the prevailing winds of the souls of his creation. You will never be just dust in the wind if you believe his teachings and those of his son, Jesus. Let go, Let God. Or don't and live your life as you see fit. The choice, as always, is yours.
 
You paint your picture, I'll paint mine. I would sooner to have in my heart the belief then be left with the thought of being just dust in the wind. I cannot fathom the mathematical probabilities of us evolving from the "primordial ooze" verses a loving God's creation. We were created, not evolved.
I'm not here to convert, just saying what I believe and trust. You believe as you believe. I'm not here to force feed anybody.
God of the Bible is the prevailing winds of the souls of his creation. You will never be just dust in the wind if you believe his teachings and those of his son, Jesus. Let go, Let God. Or don't and live your life as you see fit. The choice, as always, is yours.

I respect that point of view, and I agree that we should be allowed to believe or not believe. My problem comes when I am told that I'm wrong, or evil for not believing.
 
You paint your picture, I'll paint mine. I would sooner to have in my heart the belief then be left with the thought of being just dust in the wind. I cannot fathom the mathematical probabilities of us evolving from the "primordial ooze" verses a loving God's creation. We were created, not evolved.
I'm not here to convert, just saying what I believe and trust. You believe as you believe. I'm not here to force feed anybody.
God of the Bible is the prevailing winds of the souls of his creation. You will never be just dust in the wind if you believe his teachings and those of his son, Jesus. Let go, Let God. Or don't and live your life as you see fit. The choice, as always, is yours.
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(Proverbs 14:12)​

"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death"
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If You Died Today, Would You Go To Heaven?

(There's only ONE truth)​

Eternity Is Too Long To Be Wrong
 
I respect that point of view, and I agree that we should be allowed to believe or not believe. My problem comes when I am told that I'm wrong, or evil for not believing.
NOT my place to call "I'm wrong, or evil for not believing" only my place to try to share my belief and understanding with a God of my understanding. That be the God of the Bible. I truly do not understand ALL but further education and sharing with those that want to learn more is what I seek. Again, not saying anyone is force feeding. Those that do have never raised a child. You can't force feed either.
All I ask is that you keep an open mind and open soul. YOU can fill both with the Love of God that you have never had in your life before. Or not and throw the dice daily.
 
Can you prove you're NOT insane?

Conversely, can you PROVE that god exists? You might be able to prove that he exists TO YOU, but that is all because that is subjective.

By the way, for the record, I don't think you're insane. That was just an example.
You been talking to my wife haven't you? :hang2:
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I can't personally prove my sanity. Some shrinks and neuropsychiatrists claim they can but their testing is subjective and circumstantial. One could fake the test I suppose, giving the illusion of insanity. Or they could just ask them if they voted Obama :sarcastic:. Yet it's still used in the courts to prove someone wasn't insane at the time they killed another.
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I always ask people who want proof either way to prove they love their kids. They can prove they take care of them, school them, protect them, raise them. But they can't scientifically prove the emotion of love. The same parts of the brain that light-up with the emotion of love also light-up when a pedophile sees a child.
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Given the lack of proof it is belief that people have. What I wish someone could explain to me is what the hell is flying around our skies that matches exactly religious paintings from many hundreds of years ago and as depicted in the old testament.
 
Given the lack of proof it is belief that people have. What I wish someone could explain to me is what the hell is flying around our skies that matches exactly religious paintings from many hundreds of years ago and as depicted in the old testament.

They're called birds. LOL

The part about belief is, I think, the crux of the matter. You either believe or you don't. In the absence of definitive proof, all we have is faith. For myself, I don't have that faith. I never did.

I mentioned that I was raised catholic. In my youth, I was always open to religion and christianity. I went to a christian summer camp in Pennsylvania for a couple of summers. In high school, I studied comparative religions. When I left the catholic church, I searched for answers in other churches. I never found them in christian religions. It wasn't till I was in my 30's that I discovered my true path. But christianity and a "creator god" wasn't/isn't part of it.

I consider myself to be a good, moral person. I help people when I can. I don't hurt people or animals. Unless I have no choice, I'll never kill again. I don't cheat, steal, or lie. I love my wife and kids and try to be a good husband and father. But, accorfing to christianity, I am destined to burn in eternal torment. The kind of god that would do that is vengeful and cruel.

Like i've stated, I respect those who brlieve. Please respect my unbelief.
 
Can you prove you're NOT insane?

Conversely, can you PROVE that god exists? You might be able to prove that he exists TO YOU, but that is all because that is subjective.

By the way, for the record, I don't think you're insane. That was just an example.

Salt: No one can prove to you that God does exist. We accept Him by faith and the Bible. I sincerely doubt that you will see a physical manifestation of Him to satisfy your curiosity. Only your doubts keep you from seeing Him through faith. I found several articles you may find interesting and give you differing thoughts. Maybe they will help you to understand more how we look at things. Hopefully so but that will be your decision.

Does God Exist - Six Reasons to Believe that God is Really There - Is There a God

Can You Prove That God Exists?

Can You Prove God Exists? by Peter Kreeft

Can you prove that God exists? | Bible Daily Devotions for Teens, Christian Youth Articles

Computer Scientists 'Prove' God Exists - ABC News
 
I don't cheat, steal, or lie. I love my wife and kids and try to be a good husband and father. But, accorfing to christianity, I am destined to burn in eternal torment. The kind of god that would do that is vengeful and cruel.
The kind of God that allows you to make the choice of where you will spend ETERNITY is vengeful and cruel?

~Things Are Going To Get Very Ugly, Very Soon ~
MARANATHA! Keep Looking Up. :victory:​
 
And then there are those who see only what they want to see. Or what they are told to see.

Personally, I think I'm a very open minded person. If I were presented with convincing, irrefutable evidence that god existed, I would concede the point. Christians, in general, won't listen to any other point of view. They refuse to concede that the possibility exists that there is no god.

Of course, I'm painting with an extremely broad brush here.

The problem is obvious, except for those that have their blinders on......

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The kind of God that allows you to make the choice of where you will spend ETERNITY is vengeful and cruel?

~Things Are Going To Get Very Ugly, Very Soon ~
MARANATHA! Keep Looking Up. :victory:​

Yes. Just because I don't believe he exists, I'm consigned to eternal torture? Exactly how is that the action of a loving god?
 
I don't believe he exists.
I don't believe in eternal torture. Believers state that this will be my fate. They also claim that their god is loving and benevolent. I say that they are contradictory statements.

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I consider myself to be a good, moral person. I help people when I can. I don't hurt people or animals. Unless I have no choice, I'll never kill again. I don't cheat, steal, or lie. I love my wife and kids and try to be a good husband and father. But, accorfing to christianity, I am destined to burn in eternal torment. The kind of god that would do that is vengeful and cruel.

Like i've stated, I respect those who brlieve. Please respect my unbelief.

The Moral Law does not give us any grounds for thinking that God is ‘good’ in the sense of being indulgent, or soft, or sympathetic. There is nothing indulgent about the Moral Law. It is hard as nails. It tells you to do the straight thing and it does not seem to care how painful, or dangerous, or difficult it is to do.”
Our terrifying situation:
If this power is perfectly good, it can ONLY hate the less than perfect things we do.
If it accepts any of our failures, it is not good.
We can’t help but be imperfect.
If the universe is not governed by an absolute goodness, then all our efforts are hopeless. But if it is, then we are making ourselves enemies to that goodness every day, and are not in the least likely to do any better tomorrow, and so our case is hopeless again.
We cannot do without it, and we cannot do with it. God is the only comfort. He is also the supreme terror: the thing we most need and the thing we most want to hide from. He is our only possible ally, and we have made ourselves His enemies.
Some people talk as if meeting the gaze of absolute goodness would be fun. They need to think again. They are still only playing with religion. Goodness is either the great safety or the great danger – according to the way you react to it. And we have reacted the wrong way.
It is only after you have realized that there is a Moral Law, that there is a power behind the Moral Law, that you have broken the Moral Law and put yourself at odds with this Power – only at this point does Christianity start to have meaning
 
They're called birds. LOL

The part about belief is, I think, the crux of the matter. You either believe or you don't. In the absence of definitive proof, all we have is faith. For myself, I don't have that faith. I never did.

I mentioned that I was raised catholic. In my youth, I was always open to religion and christianity. I went to a christian summer camp in Pennsylvania for a couple of summers. In high school, I studied comparative religions. When I left the catholic church, I searched for answers in other churches. I never found them in christian religions. It wasn't till I was in my 30's that I discovered my true path. But christianity and a "creator god" wasn't/isn't part of it.

I consider myself to be a good, moral person. I help people when I can. I don't hurt people or animals. Unless I have no choice, I'll never kill again. I don't cheat, steal, or lie. I love my wife and kids and try to be a good husband and father. But, accorfing to christianity, I am destined to burn in eternal torment. The kind of god that would do that is vengeful and cruel.

Like i've stated, I respect those who brlieve. Please respect my unbelief.
That's a great way to put it.
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I too was raised catholic so I have arthritis in my knuckles from the ruler. And being a bad kid I got the ruler a lot. After a while the nuns gave up on disciplining me.
 
They're called birds. LOL

The part about belief is, I think, the crux of the matter. You either believe or you don't. In the absence of definitive proof, all we have is faith. For myself, I don't have that faith. I never did.

I mentioned that I was raised catholic. In my youth, I was always open to religion and christianity. I went to a christian summer camp in Pennsylvania for a couple of summers. In high school, I studied comparative religions. When I left the catholic church, I searched for answers in other churches. I never found them in christian religions. It wasn't till I was in my 30's that I discovered my true path. But christianity and a "creator god" wasn't/isn't part of it.

I consider myself to be a good, moral person. I help people when I can. I don't hurt people or animals. Unless I have no choice, I'll never kill again. I don't cheat, steal, or lie. I love my wife and kids and try to be a good husband and father. But, accorfing to christianity, I am destined to burn in eternal torment. The kind of god that would do that is vengeful and cruel.

Like i've stated, I respect those who brlieve. Please respect my unbelief.

This is the hurdle I cannot get over, and is where I have the most trouble in "believing". I, like you, am a good and decent person. I don't steal, lie, or cheat. I treat my wife with respect, and have been completely faithful, and have taken good care of her for the last 31 years. And I will continue to do so until I draw my last breath on this Earth. I have never been a burden to others, and treat my dog better than many people treat their children. Yet, in spite of all that, if I die lacking the "belief" I don't have, I will burn in hell for all eternity.

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On the other hand, if Charles Manson honestly "found God", and truly and honestly "believed" and confessed all of his past sins, as he drew his last breath he would walk right into the Pearly Gates with everyone there with open arms to greet him. That I simply cannot accept, as it is ridiculous, and makes zero sense. As you said, that kind of "God", if he does exist, is both vengeful and cruel.
 
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