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In most states, ordinances against firing firearms within city limits aren't limited by preemption. Ohio has preemption, yet most cities and other municipalities here ban firing guns within their boundaries. I believe they get around that because such ordinances aren't legally considered regulation of firearms, but I'm not completely certain of that. I just know there's a way around it for those statutes. I can't speak for whether or not that would work in Florida, but it would surprise me to learn that no cities ban the firing of guns within their city limits, even with preemption. Then again, I've been surprised before, so who knows?
 
Rhino said:
In most states, ordinances against firing firearms within city limits aren't limited by preemption. Ohio has preemption, yet most cities and other municipalities here ban firing guns within their boundaries. I believe they get around that because such ordinances aren't legally considered regulation of firearms, but I'm not completely certain of that. I just know there's a way around it for those statutes. I can't speak for whether or not that would work in Florida, but it would surprise me to learn that no cities ban the firing of guns within their city limits, even with preemption. Then again, I've been surprised before, so who knows?
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Ohio regulates ranges under the Ohio Division of Wildlife for both noise and safety. Cities in Ohio can regulate them using noise ordinances. PA has city ordinances against discharge of firearms inside city limits. But hunting laws override that as State laws out rule city laws. In 2010, the Ohio Supreme Court ruled that the state had all rights on firearms laws/ordinances as written per the 2006 preemption law.
 
S&W645 said:
Ohio regulates ranges under the Ohio Division of Wildlife for both noise and safety. Cities in Ohio can regulate them using noise ordinances. PA has city ordinances against discharge of firearms inside city limits. But hunting laws override that as State laws out rule city laws. In 2010, the Ohio Supreme Court ruled that the state had all rights on firearms laws/ordinances as written per the 2006 preemption law.
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Yes, I'm very well aware of that. But you still can't legally shoot a firearm within the boundaries of most cities in Ohio, so like I said, they've gotten those statutes around the preemption restriction. Unless you were intending to infer with your remark about noise regulations for ranges, that maybe noise statutes is how they're getting around preemption in Ohio as far as discharging firearms within city limits. Is that what you meant?
 
Rhino said:
Yes, I'm very well aware of that. But you still can't legally shoot a firearm within the boundaries of most cities in Ohio, so like I said, they've gotten those statutes around the preemption restriction. Unless you were intending to infer with your remark about noise regulations for ranges, that maybe noise statutes is how they're getting around preemption in Ohio as far as discharging firearms within city limits. Is that what you meant?
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Yep, that is how they do it.
Ohio also sites the NRA manual on ranges for safety. Per ORC 1501:31-29-03 Shooting ranges.
Noise or sound level guidelines are described or explained in great detail in "The NRA Range Source Book, Section I, Chapter six, (1999 Edition)." For the purpose of the chief of the division of wildlife's standards for shooting ranges, the following noise or sound levels apply:

(1) Unacceptable: If the sound level exceeds ninety decibels dB(A) for one hour out of twenty-four hours or eighty-five decibels dB(A) for eight hours out of twenty-four hours and the sound measuring receiver is located at the boundaries of the range property.

(C) The hours of operation for shooting ranges shall be from seven a.m. to ten p.m. daily, except for indoor or archery ranges.

(D) Private and public shooting ranges should substantially comply with safety guidelines generally recognized and accepted by the national rifle association (NRA). Suggested safety guidelines are described or explained in great detail in "The NRA Range Source Book, Section I, Chapter 2, (1999 Edition)." For the purpose of the chief of the division of wildlife's standards for shooting ranges, private and public shooting ranges shall have an implemented safety plan that substantially includes, but is not limited to, the following items:
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Other than time of one hour in 24, there are not many privately owned places in the cities where a firearm discharge would not violate that, or they would fall under a regulated range. And a variance can be applied for with some cities for indoor ranges or special shoots. And like Florida, firing a firearm in self defense is lawful and not a violation of any ORC or Municodes. Or at least not in the city in Ohio where we have property. YMMV.
 
S&W645 said:
Yep, that is how they do it.
Ohio also sites the NRA manual on ranges for safety. Per ORC 1501:31-29-03 Shooting ranges. Other than time of one hour in 24, there are not many privately owned places in the cities where a firearm discharge would not violate that, or they would fall under a regulated range. And a variance can be applied for with some cities for indoor ranges or special shoots. And like Florida, firing a firearm in self defense is lawful and not a violation of any ORC or Municodes. Or at least not in the city in Ohio where we have property. YMMV.
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Thanks for the excellent info.
 
Once the subject of the OP loses a round outside of his berm, he will be in deep kimshee, a civil suite of large proportion. He might also get brought up on a charge of reckless endangerment.
 
Jones0430 said:
Once the subject of the OP loses a round outside of his berm, he will be in deep kimshee, a civil suite of large proportion. He might also get brought up on a charge of reckless endangerment.
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No worries about that. He took the range down.
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Florida man Joey Carannante takes down gun range in his yard after national outrage
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Joey Carannante, 21, sparked neighborhood and national outrage after building a gun range in the yard of his St. Petersburg home, close to children and a golf course. After receiving an offer for a free gun range membership, and also getting some death threats, he's agreed to take it down.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/florida-man-agrees-gun-range-yard-article-1.2103381
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Unfortunately this has sparked an effort to pass a law that will ban all shooting within 500 feet of a residence. Hope that never passes.
 
Do stupid things, you get an inverse and proportionally stupid response. Idiots like him are making life difficult for us.
 
Jones0430 said:
Do stupid things, you get an inverse and proportionally stupid response. Idiots like him are making life difficult for us.
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ldots like you dont know what RIGHTS are. Using the stupid "making life difficult for us" excuse to try and infringe on someone elses rights proves it....

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S&W645 said:
Missed target, owned the bullet. Same as would have happened in the case of the guy in St Pete per FL Statutes.
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Who are you, The Amazing Carnac? That's like saying that the guy sitting alone at the bar drinking with keys in his pocket is the same situation as the drunk driver on the road who just plowed into a mini-van full of a family. Two completely different situations PERIOD because there were no rounds discharged in Florida and there was no law violated in Florida just like there is no law against sitting in a bar drinking alone with car keys in your pocket.

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Axeanda45 said:
ldots like you dont know what RIGHTS are. Using the stupid "making life difficult for us" excuse to try and infringe on someone elses rights proves it....
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He may miss the boat on the rights issue, but he has a point about it being bad press. You really have to wonder if there was any way he could have garnered good press though, considering the fact that almost all media is slanted against firearms use. We could wonder if Carannate may have gotten better press if he'd spoken with his neighbors earlier or if he'd built the range in his back yard instead of the front, but that would just be guessing on our part. Besides, for all we know, maybe he did try to speak with the neighbors first, and maybe there was a reason why the range wouldn't physically fit in his back yard. Pure supposition, and again, there's no guarantee the press would have been any better. At least he got a free range membership.
 
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