open carry

[NavyLCDR]

I just believe that, as the 2nd amendment states, it should be "well regulated".

No, you believe in a different meaning of "well regulated" than what it means in the 2nd Amendment. You believe in government infringement.

In MA. we have no background checks to buy firearms. You just show your LTC and as fast as you can fill out the FA-10 you're walking out the door with a new firearm.

You are either ignorant or intentionally lying. A background check IS required to buy a firearm in Massachusetts. You provide your LTC as evidence that you have had a background check done on you. Your LTC is your background check approval.

And since you want to go down that road... if I don't have a CPL in Washington, for rifles and shotguns I walk into a gun store, fill out one form, they make one phone call, I get my background check done and approved within 2 minutes, and walk out the door. For a handgun, I fill out two forms, wait for the local police to respond which they must do within 10 days, and go back and pick up my handgun. No references required for either and NO PAYMENT required either for those background checks and no training required that I had to pay for. What did you have to do to get your LTC?

You like to try to tell us how wonderful Massachusetts gun laws are. Well, you have backing for that. The Brady Campaign thinks Massachusetts has pretty good gun laws too:
http://www.bradycampaign.org/sites/default/files/SCGLM-Final10-spreads-points.pdf

They think that only CA, CT, NJ, MD, and NY have better gun laws than MA does.

Funny how much you and the Brady Campaign have in common. Maybe you should post on their forums where they will agree with you instead of trying to convert us "anarchists" on this forum.

 

[MHas]

Our background check is done when we apply for your LTC. When you receive your LTC, that's all you need to purchase a firearm. For example 3 weeks ago, I walked into basspro, picked out a shotgun, handed the guy my LTC, answered some questions and filled out my personal info on his laptop, and signed the FA-10. I was in and out with a new gun in 20 minutes. As far as my hand guns, I walked into massfirearms school, told the guy what handguns I wanted. Handed him my LTC, no computer but answered a few questions on paper, paid and walked out with 2 handguns. It took 30 minutes. For my LTC I took a 4 hour safety course, and had a 30-45 minute meeting with a detective from my town. He took my finger prints and I filled out an application. 3 weeks later I received my unrestricted large capacity firearm class A LTC. This " allows me to carry open or concealed. I was referring to the fact that I don't need to wait any time period to purchase any firearm because background checks are done during LTC process and I can open carry in a bar or establishment that serves alcohol and "no gun signs" have no legal bearing when I said I like our laws. I don't agree with the fact I can't legally open carry a long gun unless actively hunting. I also don't like that in order to buy a machine gun I need to pay another $100 to get a machine gun license. There are pros and cons to our laws. I mainly like being able to carry in a bar. I can even drink as long as you blow under .08 I also don't like their deffinition of assault weapon.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I mainly like being able to carry in a bar. I can even drink as long as you blow under .08 I also don't like their deffinition of assault weapon.

So you are OK with drunks being able to carry loaded guns in public? You tell us you support fingerprints, background checks and licenses to carry to be required to carry a loaded gun in public to make it harder for criminals and mentally ill people to violate the law and carry a loaded gun in public, even though it is already illegal for them to do so whether or not they have a license. When we disagree about background checks and licenses you say that we support criminals and mentally ill people carrying guns. So why not apply the same standard to alcohol and guns? By your same logic, it should be illegal to possess a firearm in a bar in Massachusetts to make it harder for people to violate the law that makes it illegal to carry a loaded firearm while drunk. Or maybe require a breathalyzer before anyone leaves a bar in possession of a firearm to verify they are <.08 BAC just like you want everyone to pass a background check to verify they are legal to carry a loaded gun in public?

 

[Firefighterchen]

Our background check is done when we apply for your LTC. When you receive your LTC, that's all you need to purchase a firearm. For example 3 weeks ago, I walked into basspro, picked out a shotgun, handed the guy my LTC, answered some questions and filled out my personal info on his laptop, and signed the FA-10. I was in and out with a new gun in 20 minutes. As far as my hand guns, I walked into massfirearms school, told the guy what handguns I wanted. Handed him my LTC, no computer but answered a few questions on paper, paid and walked out with 2 handguns. It took 30 minutes. For my LTC I took a 4 hour safety course, and had a 30-45 minute meeting with a detective from my town. He took my finger prints and I filled out an application. 3 weeks later I received my unrestricted large capacity firearm class A LTC. This " allows me to carry open or concealed. I was referring to the fact that I don't need to wait any time period to purchase any firearm because background checks are done during LTC process and I can open carry in a bar or establishment that serves alcohol and "no gun signs" have no legal bearing when I said I like our laws. I don't agree with the fact I can't legally open carry a long gun unless actively hunting. I also don't like that in order to buy a machine gun I need to pay another $100 to get a machine gun license. There are pros and cons to our laws. I mainly like being able to carry in a bar. I can even drink as long as you blow under .08 I also don't like their deffinition of assault weapon.

Process is so ridiculous...and you're okay with that....

5 months ago I walked into a gun shop, told them I wanted the scar 17 on the wall. They had me fill out a 4473, called in for a background, and then sold me the rifle. In and out in less than 15 minutes. No permit, no meetings, no class, no waiting period. I then openly carried it to my vehicle without a permit.

All this because I missed a privately sold scar by 2 days online...if I had won that one, I would have been able to pay for it and be done within 2 minutes, no background check, permit, meeting, class, or waiting period.

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[NavyLCDR]

All this because I missed a privately sold scar by 2 days online...if I had won that one, I would have been able to pay for it and be done within 2 minutes, no background check, permit, meeting, class, or waiting period.

Well....not legally any more thanks to billionaires like Michael Bloomberg spoon feeding people like MHas a bunch of bullcrap TV ads and glossy mailers about background checks stopping men from beating their wives. Now the seller would have to take the rifle to an FFL and do the 15 minutes paperwork + background check. At least to make it technically legal. But, then again, the same law also requires a background check for the sale of a flare gun that none of the retail stores in Washington are abiding by and nobody cares.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Well....not legally any more thanks to billionaires like Michael Bloomberg spoon feeding people like MHas a bunch of bullcrap TV ads and glossy mailers about background checks stopping men from beating their wives. Now the seller would have to take the rifle to an FFL and do the 15 minutes paperwork + background check. At least to make it technically legal. But, then again, the same law also requires a background check for the sale of a flare gun that none of the retail stores in Washington are abiding by and nobody cares.

I also have the option of driving 20 min south to Oregon...no tax either.

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[MHas]

One laws/regulation I absolutely hate and think is idiotic is the fact that I can't carry a handgun that holds more then 10 rounds in the magazine unless it was manufactured before 1992. This is soooo... Stupid. I can carry 10+1 but not 15+1???? What difference is 5 rounds going to make. I just carry 2 extra magazines for a total of 30+1. There's no restriction on how much ammo you can carry. Are other states like this?? I have no experience carrying out of New England. I've lived here all my life.

 

[Firefighterchen]

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[Firefighterchen]

One laws/regulation I absolutely hate and think is idiotic is the fact that I can't carry a handgun that holds more then 10 rounds in the magazine unless it was manufactured before 1992. This is soooo... Stupid. I can carry 10+1 but not 15+1???? What difference is 5 rounds going to make. I just carry 2 extra magazines for a total of 30+1. There's no restriction on how much ammo you can carry. Are other states like this?? I have no experience carrying out of New England. I've lived here all my life.

Has restrictions on mags:
California
Colorado
Connecticut
DC
Hawaii
Illinois
Maryland
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New York
Ohio

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[MHas]

Process is so ridiculous...and you're okay with that....

5 months ago I walked into a gun shop, told them I wanted the scar 17 on the wall. They had me fill out a 4473, called in for a background, and then sold me the rifle. In and out in less than 15 minutes. No permit, no meetings, no class, no waiting period. I then openly carried it to my vehicle without a permit.

All this because I missed a privately sold scar by 2 days online...if I had won that one, I would have been able to pay for it and be done within 2 minutes, no background check, permit, meeting, class, or waiting period.

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I think there's no problem with that. I didn't even think about the background check to buy the gun because we don't do that in MA. I just don't agree with people being able to walk off the street, buying a firearm and carrying it loaded in public despite their criminal background and mental health. I'm all for owning firearms. I have multiple, my wife has 1 and even my 2 year old daughter has a pink daisy pellet gun on her pink gun rack in her room. If trying to keep publicly carried loaded firearms out of the hands criminals and mentally unstable people make me a "gun grabber" in your opinion then so be it. I understand also, just like a junky, if they want meth they'll get meth. Wether it's black market or legalized and regulated. If someone wants something bad enough they'll get it. I'm just agreeing with measure taken to reduce accessibility. I also understand where you guys are coming from, it's your constitutional right. I just feel the the part in the 2nd amendment were it says the armed citizenry should be "we'll regulated" is just as important as " the right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." If you guys feel you are above the 2nd amendment and the government, state or federal should not regulate the armed citizenry, that is your right to feel that way and preach your opinion. Just like its my right to feel and preach my opinion that nobody is above the 2nd amendment and if the founders wanted the armed citizenry to be "we'll regulated" then our government, state or federal shall do just that.

 

[MHas]

Sorry autocorrect "well regulated" I'd hate to be put on the chopping block for spelling something wrong again.

 

[MHas]

Has restrictions on mags:
California
Colorado
Connecticut
DC
Hawaii
Illinois
Maryland
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New York
Ohio

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Thank you for the answer. I guess I could have googled it. Don't let you're friends know you engaged in a civil conversation with a gun grabbing blue bellied Yankee scum such as myself.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I didn't even think about the background check to buy the gun because we don't do that in MA.

Again, you are being intentionally ignorant or intentionally lying. You have to show proof of your background check before buying a gun in MA.

 

[CharlesMorrison]

I couldn't let this one go. I do not agree with having to pay, in my case a $100 basic firearms safety course and the $100 application fee for my LTC. I feel my wife and I pay enough taxes to both state and federal government that these "permission slips" should be free of charge. My only issue was that criminals and people with extreme mental disabilities should not carry loaded firearms in public. I never once said that a US citizen should pay for their right to bear arms. I just believe that, as the 2nd amendment states, it should be "well regulated". As soon as I brought up "regulations" you guys jumped all over me for simply stating my opinion. I guess in states that require a background check to buy a firearm then there isn't even a need to issue LTCs. In MA. we have no background checks to buy firearms. You just show your LTC and as fast as you can fill out the FA-10 you're walking out the door with a new firearm. You say I keep going back to BS but that BS was the only 2 issues I was arguing. All these other things you guys keep bringing up, I've never said or even feel the way you guys say I fell.

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[CharlesMorrison]

I think there's no problem with that. I didn't even think about the background check to buy the gun because we don't do that in MA. I just don't agree with people being able to walk off the street, buying a firearm and carrying it loaded in public despite their criminal background and mental health. I'm all for owning firearms. I have multiple, my wife has 1 and even my 2 year old daughter has a pink daisy pellet gun on her pink gun rack in her room. If trying to keep publicly carried loaded firearms out of the hands criminals and mentally unstable people make me a "gun grabber" in your opinion then so be it. I understand also, just like a junky, if they want meth they'll get meth. Wether it's black market or legalized and regulated. If someone wants something bad enough they'll get it. I'm just agreeing with measure taken to reduce accessibility. I also understand where you guys are coming from, it's your constitutional right. I just feel the the part in the 2nd amendment were it says the armed citizenry should be "we'll regulated" is just as important as " the right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." If you guys feel you are above the 2nd amendment and the government, state or federal should not regulate the armed citizenry, that is your right to feel that way and preach your opinion. Just like its my right to feel and preach my opinion that nobody is above the 2nd amendment and if the founders wanted the armed citizenry to be "we'll regulated" then our government, state or federal shall do just that.

For Gods sake young lady!
Spell check...

 

[Firefighterchen]

Sorry autocorrect "well regulated" I'd hate to be put on the chopping block for spelling something wrong again.

We'll regulated is about as accurate a spelling as your opinion on its use in the 2A.

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[MHas]

Again, you are being intentionally ignorant or intentionally lying. You have to show proof of your background check before buying a gun in MA.

I guess MA. Considers the LTC that requires a FBI background check to receive is proof of such a background check.

 

[MHas]

A well regulated Militia (armed citizenry), being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Can you show me where it say "well regulated" armed citizenry is NOT necessary to the security of our nation, "a free state". This isn't a poem. It's not up to the reader to determine its meaning. It specifically says "well regulated" armed citizenry is "necessary to the security" of our nation. I must be missing the part where it says give guns to everyone with no government regulations

 

[NavyLCDR]

I guess MA. Considers the LTC that requires a FBI background check to receive is proof of such a background check.

 

[MHas]

It's not 2 parts, the 2nd amendment is all 1 sentence. 1 meaning.