One in the chamber or not ????

Can't imagine what would be so valuable that I'd be willing to get myself killed rather than drop it, A live grenade I suppose

This is something we need to realize though, it's split second decisions. Sitting here, slouched on my couch, in no danger of anything but a strong breeze through the window, I can tell you'd I'd drop anything I own (even my $1500 MacBook I'm writing this on) to save my skin. But because I'm conditioned to carrying this MacBook around like a baby, because I really don't want to drop it, and because I have a well-conditioned fear of dropping this expensive piece of equipment that would surely be destroyed in a waist-high drop, (and you can replace 'Macbook' with any other small, light, expensive thing. Priceless vase maybe. But I don't own priceless vases, so I'm trying to be real). Then I might hesitate. It's not that, logically, I'd risk myself for this MacBook. But it's so built into my brain, that in a fight-or-flight situation, when my Amygdala (instinct, emotion, and fear) is secreting tremendous amounts of hormones and my pre-frontal cortex (the part that makes cognitive decisions) is shutting down (this is why fine motor skills turn to crap in a deadly force situation, btw), I might hesitate. Those ingrained reflexes will be confused. One will draw the weapon, and one will protect the MacBook. In that split second, will I instantly drop the MacBook and rack a round? Maybe. Or I might, for a split second, hesitate because hanging on to it is so 'built in'. I've never dropped it before. A socket? I drop those all the time to get it out of my way. Toilet paper? I try not to hang onto that any longer than I have to. But my laptop?

Because I try to be real about myself and how I'll react, I do think that if I were approached by some guy, maybe trying to steal my MacBook, I would hesitate to drop it 'instinctively'. Good thing I can shoot with one hand, I tend to carry things in my support hand (not 'tactically', I just do, then I can use my right hand for other things), and would have one in the pipe.

The real issue without one in the pipe though, is so many of these situations involve escalated hand-to-hand combat. Guy puts gun in your face, you use your support hand to swat the gun away while drawing your own weapon, to put it in his face. Moving your support hand back to rack the slide means the only chance you have for survival is that the bad guy didn't have one in the pipe himself. I don't like those odds.

OP; here's how I will be handling this issue. Take it FWIW. Other guys carry 1911's condition 1 with no safety. Good for them. I'm not that comfortable with doing that. So I share your concerns. I don't mind that those guys do it, it's just not for me. There's no statistics to back that up, it's perfectly safe, but it makes me nervous; and we shouldn't be nervous with our own guns. So my resolve is a DA/SA hammer fired semi-auto. I can comfortably leave one in the pipe, safety off, hammer down. Then, it just needs to be drawn and the trigger pulled. BUT, the trigger is a very heavy double-action trigger pull (plus, anything modern will have firing pin blocks and other things). Subsequent rounds are a light single action trigger pull. That's what my wife Carries (Bersa Thunder, DA/SA; and she's practices that well. She can draw and put that first round into a chest-sized target pretty stinkin' quickly at 7 yards. And the subsequent rounds just as quickly if not quicker). There's lots of them out there. Bersa makes them in .380, 9mm, .40, and .45. Compact and full size! And there's other brands too. If even that's not safe enough for you (hey, none of my business) then they still have a manual thumb safety that with practice, can be disabled rapidly while drawing. Manual thumb safety, hammer down, firing pin block- that thing is plenty safe with one in the pipe.

Personally, I'm not a fan of manual safeties though (save for perhaps some 1911's with their huge paddle). Again, fine motor skills go bye-bye in a fight or flight situation (called an 'Amygdala Hijack'). (That's not CCW experience talking, that's that Psychology education that I paid for. Guess you do learn something). There's a part of your brain, behind your eyes, that controls emotions, instinct, etc. And in cases of extreme fear, it completely takes over your brain. It knocks the parts of the brain that control rational thinking and fine motor skills out of the way. So no matter how good you think you are, in a real "I could die right here right now" situation, you are going to be clumsy, stupid, emotionally charged and fat-fingered. So be prepared for that.
 
You sound a real ass (just the facts) maybe you should act o your own response on the forum's

I think maybe JustTheFacts' mommy found out he was talking with "gun people" on the internet and pulled the plug on the basement internet connection.

Darn it...did that just make me sound like a real ass?
 
I think maybe JustTheFacts' mommy found out he was talking with "gun people" on the internet and pulled the plug on the basement internet connection.

Darn it...did that just make me sound like a real ass?

No man that's cool

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I carry one in the chamber all the time just got to keep that trigger finger where it belongs until it needs to be moved. I agree this is all good responses I enjoy all your input everyone.

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This is something we need to realize though, it's split second decisions. Sitting here, slouched on my couch, in no danger of anything but a strong breeze through the window, I can tell you'd I'd drop anything I own (even my $1500 MacBook I'm writing this on) to save my skin. But because I'm conditioned to carrying this MacBook around like a baby, because I really don't want to drop it, and because I have a well-conditioned fear of dropping this expensive piece of equipment that would surely be destroyed in a waist-high drop, (and you can replace 'Macbook' with any other small, light, expensive thing. Priceless vase maybe. But I don't own priceless vases, so I'm trying to be real). Then I might hesitate. It's not that, logically, I'd risk myself for this MacBook. But it's so built into my brain, that in a fight-or-flight situation, when my Amygdala (instinct, emotion, and fear) is secreting tremendous amounts of hormones and my pre-frontal cortex (the part that makes cognitive decisions) is shutting down (this is why fine motor skills turn to crap in a deadly force situation, btw), I might hesitate. Those ingrained reflexes will be confused. One will draw the weapon, and one will protect the MacBook. In that split second, will I instantly drop the MacBook and rack a round? Maybe. Or I might, for a split second, hesitate because hanging on to it is so 'built in'. I've never dropped it before. A socket? I drop those all the time to get it out of my way. Toilet paper? I try not to hang onto that any longer than I have to. But my laptop?

Because I try to be real about myself and how I'll react, I do think that if I were approached by some guy, maybe trying to steal my MacBook, I would hesitate to drop it 'instinctively'. Good thing I can shoot with one hand, I tend to carry things in my support hand (not 'tactically', I just do, then I can use my right hand for other things), and would have one in the pipe.

The real issue without one in the pipe though, is so many of these situations involve escalated hand-to-hand combat. Guy puts gun in your face, you use your support hand to swat the gun away while drawing your own weapon, to put it in his face. Moving your support hand back to rack the slide means the only chance you have for survival is that the bad guy didn't have one in the pipe himself. I don't like those odds.

OP; here's how I will be handling this issue. Take it FWIW. Other guys carry 1911's condition 1 with no safety. Good for them. I'm not that comfortable with doing that. So I share your concerns. I don't mind that those guys do it, it's just not for me. There's no statistics to back that up, it's perfectly safe, but it makes me nervous; and we shouldn't be nervous with our own guns. So my resolve is a DA/SA hammer fired semi-auto. I can comfortably leave one in the pipe, safety off, hammer down. Then, it just needs to be drawn and the trigger pulled. BUT, the trigger is a very heavy double-action trigger pull (plus, anything modern will have firing pin blocks and other things). Subsequent rounds are a light single action trigger pull. That's what my wife Carries (Bersa Thunder, DA/SA; and she's practices that well. She can draw and put that first round into a chest-sized target pretty stinkin' quickly at 7 yards. And the subsequent rounds just as quickly if not quicker). There's lots of them out there. Bersa makes them in .380, 9mm, .40, and .45. Compact and full size! And there's other brands too. If even that's not safe enough for you (hey, none of my business) then they still have a manual thumb safety that with practice, can be disabled rapidly while drawing. Manual thumb safety, hammer down, firing pin block- that thing is plenty safe with one in the pipe.

Personally, I'm not a fan of manual safeties though (save for perhaps some 1911's with their huge paddle). Again, fine motor skills go bye-bye in a fight or flight situation (called an 'Amygdala Hijack'). (That's not CCW experience talking, that's that Psychology education that I paid for. Guess you do learn something). There's a part of your brain, behind your eyes, that controls emotions, instinct, etc. And in cases of extreme fear, it completely takes over your brain. It knocks the parts of the brain that control rational thinking and fine motor skills out of the way. So no matter how good you think you are, in a real "I could die right here right now" situation, you are going to be clumsy, stupid, emotionally charged and fat-fingered. So be prepared for that.

OK you speak about 1911's and manual safeties also DA/SA long trigger pulls which I agree with you. But how do you feel about one in the chamber with a Glock?

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OK you speak about 1911's and manual safeties also DA/SA long trigger pulls which I agree with you. But how do you feel about one in the chamber with a Glock?

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ME, Personally, I'm not thrilled with it. I don't have a problem with it, and I actually really like Glocks. But as long as I can carry a DA/SA, I'd rather just have that. Glocks have safeties though, just no manual safety. It's really, really, really hard to make a Glock fire (impossible really) without a finger pulling the trigger. With only a 5 or so lb trigger pull, there is a risk of a snag, perhaps. But not really.

But that's me. I mean I don't mind it, but I'd rather the DA/SA. Heavy trigger pull on the first round, hammer down, safety off. That, to me, seems like the perfect compromise. It goes bang when you pull the trigger, which eliminates the risk of not being able to manipulate a safety in a fight-or-flight (aka "Amygdala Hijack") situation. But that heavy first trigger pull gives me extra piece of mind about snagging the trigger, or other such situations.

If you gave me a Glock I'd carry it with one in the chamber. But if it's my money I'll buy and carry a DA/SA handgun. Does that make sense? And that's just me and what makes me feel comfortable.

Not having one in the chamber isn't as bad as not being armed at all, but it's close. From my psychology training and education, I'm not convinced a person is going to be able to consistently, accurately rack the slide on a weapon in one of these emergency situations. That's on top of the tactical disadvantage that's been mentioned; in so many of these cases only one hand is used. The support hand is used to shove an attacker, swat a weapon, or even defend a loved one. It's very rare, in fact, that a person will draw their weapon, extend their grip and put two hands on the weapon. In conceal carry situations where the gun is actually discharged (as opposed to used to detain an individual), it's often discharged within seconds of the encounter starting, and by a one-handed shooter who doesn't remember looking through the sights and usually didn't have access to their support hand. In so many of these cases, had they had to rack the slide, they'd be dead.

From what I know about the human brain and how it works in an emergency, and from what I've read and learned from experienced firearms instructors, CCW holders and Police Officers; I believe that the only consistently effective carry weapon is a weapon that just needs to be drawn and the trigger pulled. Any more actions, at all, waste precious time and may even be physically impossible in a life or death situation. (And no, not because your arm is broken, your brain literally isn't going to be capable of handing those complex tasks until those hormones settle down).

Anything I carry will be a trigger squeeze away from a bang. I like DA/SA because it ensures that trigger squeeze is a little heavier, but subsequent shots have that nice light trigger pull that means fast and accurate followup shots. IMHO, DA/SA is the perfect carry weapon. Lots of them have good capacity magazines as well.
 
ME, Personally, I'm not thrilled with it. I don't have a problem with it, and I actually really like Glocks. But as long as I can carry a DA/SA, I'd rather just have that. Glocks have safeties though, just no manual safety. It's really, really, really hard to make a Glock fire (impossible really) without a finger pulling the trigger. With only a 5 or so lb trigger pull, there is a risk of a snag, perhaps. But not really.

But that's me. I mean I don't mind it, but I'd rather the DA/SA. Heavy trigger pull on the first round, hammer down, safety off. That, to me, seems like the perfect compromise. It goes bang when you pull the trigger, which eliminates the risk of not being able to manipulate a safety in a fight-or-flight (aka "Amygdala Hijack") situation. But that heavy first trigger pull gives me extra piece of mind about snagging the trigger, or other such situations.

If you gave me a Glock I'd carry it. But if it's my money I'll buy and carry a DA/SA handgun. Does that make sense? And that's just me and what makes me feel comfortable.

Thanks for you reply I love my Glocks I carry a G27 daily one in chamber. I spoke to a police officer one day at my dealership (Honda) and he told me he had a situation the other day and if he had his Glock he would have shot the person he stopped. He was carrying the Springfield Armory XD that made me think. I am getting into revolvers and love them thinking or leaning more to EDC my .38 or .357 Protector Ploy and leave the Glocks for the home or night carry where I may need more rounds in my holster.

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Thanks for you reply I love my Glocks I carry a G27 daily one in chamber. I spoke to a police officer one day at my dealership (Honda) and he told me he had a situation the other day and if he had his Glock he would have shot the person he stopped. He was carrying the Springfield Armory XD that made me think. I am getting into revolvers and love them thinking or leaning more to EDC my .38 or .357 Protector Ploy and leave the Glocks for the home or night carry where I may need more rounds in my holster.

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I've had revolvers in the past (never carried them). I have to admit though; I do appreciate the higher round capacity. Although, again, in studying through cases of actual, real-life (instead of 'hypothetical') cases where a weapon is drawn and fired, rarely, very rarely, are more than 6 shots needed.

Actually I'd kind of like to have a full-sized Glock in .45acp with a light on the rail for at home. I never really figured out what advantage a light was when carrying but I bet it would come in handy investigating a bump in the night.
 
tricolor hates Bluestringbean wouldn't he be ranting at him?

If he wanted too. I don't think either of those trolls really care who's feathers they ruffle. The target may be different but the word usage is the same.

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If he wanted too. I don't think either of those trolls really care who's feathers they ruffle. The target may be different but the word usage is the same.

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Hey guys just curious I just back into the forum again looks like I picked a he'll of a topic did for a friend but I have seen the mention of the word "troll" on several occasions I know what a troll is but define it for me forum style and thanks for all your responses appreciate it.
Semper Fi

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Hey guys just curious I just back into the forum again looks like I picked a he'll of a topic did for a friend but I have seen the mention of the word "troll" on several occasions I know what a troll is but define it for me forum style and thanks for all your responses appreciate it.
Semper Fi

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Those who come in with the only intention of trying to stir up trouble.

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Those who come in with the only intention of trying to stir up trouble.

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It looks like we have had a few more than usual lately.

Maybe we should start a "Name that troll" thread and post links to all the troll type posts. It may even cause our resident trolls to cut back on posting if everyone could see the posts they make just to troll other members here.

I think it could be kind of like having you mug shot plastered on the front page, if we have a thread that says "I'm a stupid troll and I made this moronic post." (Then, whenever we find a "troll" post we can quote it to the thread.)

IMHO- That would be a great idea for a "Sticky". :sarcastic:



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It looks like we have had a few more than usual lately.

Maybe we should start a "Name that troll" thread and post links to all the troll type posts. It may even cause our resident trolls to cut back on posting if everyone could see the posts they make just to troll other members here.

I think it could be kind of like having you mug shot plastered on the front page, if we have a thread that says "I'm a stupid troll and I made this moronic post." (Then, whenever we find a "troll" post we can quote it to the thread.)

IMHO- That would be a great idea for a "Sticky". :sarcastic:



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I think the members here are really good at fishing out the trolls rather efficiently. Each time a new troll, or more often the same troll comes back, I get to see new funny anti troll pictures.

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I think the members here are really good at fishing out the trolls rather efficiently. Each time a new troll, or more often the same troll comes back, I get to see new funny anti troll pictures.

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I think I'm about ready for Lukem to come back in here with his "Banned" hammer again. I'm getting really sick of a couple of these trolls. I'm not the one being trolled. But, there are several threads that I have been keeping up with the past few weeks and they have become nothing more than a sounding board for some of our village idiots.


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I think I'm about ready for Lukem to come back in here with his "Banned" hammer again. I'm getting really sick of a couple of these trolls. I'm not the one being trolled. But, there are several threads that I have been keeping up with the past few weeks and they have become nothing more than a sounding board for some of our village idiots.


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Well, I wouldn't claim them as OUR village idiots...problem is their village doesn't want them back. Ban hammer would be a nice break from their nonsense though.

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