Johnny Dollar
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It's not as unlikely as you think, people have been know to not fully pull the slide to the rear understress which can cause a feed jam and they've been known to get Buck fever and completely forget to chamber a round
One in chamber? Yes / No
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It's not as unlikely as you think, people have been know to not fully pull the slide to the rear understress which can cause a feed jam and they've been known to get Buck fever and completely forget to chamber a round
Rocketgeezer
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After 41 pages its gone way past beat to death, LOL
rekotadrekoj187
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There is no difference between the 2 if you think about it the only way to not carry a revolver chambered is to keep an empty chamber in one of the spots otherwise its the same as carrying one in the chamber in semi auto or a revolver. Whoever thinks different obviously is not using their brain to its potential or maybe tgey are and their brain isn't capable of producing a good answer.
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badhatharry
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When I carry my Taurus PT 145 which is DAO, always10+1. When I carry my Glock 23, minus the safety, never....too many things could go sideways.
XD40scinNC
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Many semi-auto's have additional layers of safety other than keeping the booger hook off the bang switch, be it a thumb safety or a grip safety and a safe assurance trigger, or a combination of several of these.
What "many things could go sideways"? The gun isn't going to go bang if the trigger isn't pulled all the way to the rear. Is it really that difficult to keep the trigger from being pulled all the way to the rear while carrying it?
JaegerMann
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It is a function of personal preference and training. Our ROE used to require no round in the chamber, and the Israeli Military still train to that in sidearms. Generally the theory is based on safety arguments either you not having an accidental discharge, or someone taking your weapon away and not knowing they have to rack it first. If you train to that standard, and train to racking with one hand, both strong hand and weak hand. OK, and yes it can be done.
Some folks make a fast draw argument against empty chamber. As a CCW to me that is moot argument if your situational awareness fails to the point it comes down to a fast draw, you already made serious mistakes in your situation management CCW is not a Cop, you do not HAVE to confront anyone. But with training you can draw chamber and fire in under 1 sec if that is your carry choice; with 2 hands you draw and slap the top of the slide at the rear sight pushing under the off hand, pushing the weapon forward racking the slide as you present. With one hand you need a flap holster or a stout belt, catching the rear sight on them and using that to rack. In a pinch jeans pockets can be used as well. And I do train to those techniques, but they are not my "ready" condition
That said as a CCW I do carry one in the chamber, but I don't use striker fired weapons, so a mechanical act is required to fire. For me if I want to carry now without a round in the chamber or under the hammer, I would carry a revolver.
But that is just my 2cents and a generous valuation at that
Some folks make a fast draw argument against empty chamber. As a CCW to me that is moot argument if your situational awareness fails to the point it comes down to a fast draw, you already made serious mistakes in your situation management CCW is not a Cop, you do not HAVE to confront anyone. But with training you can draw chamber and fire in under 1 sec if that is your carry choice; with 2 hands you draw and slap the top of the slide at the rear sight pushing under the off hand, pushing the weapon forward racking the slide as you present. With one hand you need a flap holster or a stout belt, catching the rear sight on them and using that to rack. In a pinch jeans pockets can be used as well. And I do train to those techniques, but they are not my "ready" condition
That said as a CCW I do carry one in the chamber, but I don't use striker fired weapons, so a mechanical act is required to fire. For me if I want to carry now without a round in the chamber or under the hammer, I would carry a revolver.
But that is just my 2cents and a generous valuation at that
badhatharry
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If you think a finger is the only thing that can pull a trigger, you're wrong. I'm simply stating what I'm comfortable with...I'm not sure why you care.
BluesStringer
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Where in Navy's post does the word "finger" appear? He specifically asked about "while carrying" a weapon, which indicates to me that he means while it's in its holster, in all cases by a prudent and safe carrier, with the trigger guard covered by it.
His question remains unanswered, "Is it really that difficult to keep the trigger from being pulled all the way to the rear while carrying it?"
Jeesh. It's a *discussion forum*. People say things and other people reply to what they've said. That is pretty much the definition of "discussion."
I'm not sure why you're so defensive about a simple question or two.
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XD40scinNC
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Then why in hell do you own a Glock? Trade it for something with either a grip safety or a thumb safety, or both.
AndeyHall
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The irony there is that I'm much more comfortable with a round chambered and ready to go in a gun with no safety and just a safe-action trigger than I am in a gun with a hammer and all the safeties like a 1911. That doesn't stop me from carrying chambered in either one though
LoneStarTx
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I can understand why some Glock carriers don't feel secure carrying in a IWB holster. There is some caution required to protect the trigger from clothing snags. A reasonable solution is to use a Saf-T-Blok Trigger Block. The trigger cannot be pressed without first pushing the block out. That can be done in one finger motion. Much faster than a trigger cross bolt or safety lever.
As for the argument that favoring carrying an empty chamber: the bad guy will be looking for any movement and using both hands certainly alerts him to a threat. You will likely already be reacting to his deadly threat when he has his weapon at ready to fire.
As for the argument that favoring carrying an empty chamber: the bad guy will be looking for any movement and using both hands certainly alerts him to a threat. You will likely already be reacting to his deadly threat when he has his weapon at ready to fire.
HD-kutz
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Everything in life is about the acceptance of risk. What is your level of acceptance. How many have been shot or property damaged by a ND with a chambered round? How many have been shot because they didn't have time to chamber a round?
By a show of hands how many here were in a situation where they absolutely needed that split second/? Don't see many hands.
Risk example: I owned tractor trailers all my life. I hauled in and out of **** holes across the US. Most of the drivers leased to the same company wouldn't assume the risk of being robbed, jumped or in an accident. I weighed the extra revenue and metro surcharges against the risk.
Neither of us was wrong we just have different levels of tolerance.
By a show of hands how many here were in a situation where they absolutely needed that split second/? Don't see many hands.
Risk example: I owned tractor trailers all my life. I hauled in and out of **** holes across the US. Most of the drivers leased to the same company wouldn't assume the risk of being robbed, jumped or in an accident. I weighed the extra revenue and metro surcharges against the risk.
Neither of us was wrong we just have different levels of tolerance.
wolf_fire
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Do you know your firearm at all?
There are three safety mechanisms for the Glock: the trigger safety, firing pin safety and the drop safety. What "things could go sideways" with a Glock that couldn't go "sideways" with your Taurus? I've never had any of my Glocks have soemthing "go sideways" because there is no external safety switch. Last I checked there aren't any safety switches on my revolvers either and I carry them loaded too. I don't know anyone in the world who doesn't carry their revolver loaded. Yet for some reason the semi auto has this "fear factor" attached to it. Why? A slightly less trigger pull?
Every manufacturer I know, says you cannot and should not rely on the manual safety switch. This is good advice since they can be bumped rather easily. So what makes the Taurus so much safer with one in the chamber than your Glock without one in the chamber?
If you keep your booger hook off the bang stick, the gun does not go boom. This is true for all firearms and it is one of the four basic safe gun handling practices we all should know.
So I'm assuming if you are carrying your Glock for self-defense, you will then attempt to draw, rack the slide, aim and try to fire off a shot in enough time before the BG attacks you. Wow, let your survivors tell us how that works out for you.
Not to mention, you are carrying in two completely different ways. In a SHTF situation you will react in the way you train. Do you train racking the slide first or do you train by switching off a lever and shooting? These are things you will need to consider when at the range.
HD-kutz
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And you actually asked the guy you quoted if he knows his firearms then you mention revolvers which are totally different then pistols in the way they feed and fire.Do you carry your revolvers with the hammer cocked?
I have about 15 gun manufacturers owners manuals laying around here and can't find one that suggests carrying with a loaded chamber. If you have one I'd be interested in seeing it.
Do you have any evidence of that happening? There are lots of newspaper articles about firearms owners having NDs and Glock Leg though.
I've never said how I carry because it isn't relevant to the discussion. My risk tolerance isn't the issue. The issue is that internet gunfighters have the opinion they are right and any dissenting opinion is wrong.
rekotadrekoj187
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell you the manufacturer doesn't recommend relying on the safety lever as a matter of fact no manufacturer says rely on the weapons safety. They also don't say you should carry with a round in the chamber and correct me if I'm wrong but wolf didn't say anything about the manufacturer recommending you carry chambered so where did you come up with that at ? I think you should actually read what he typed above your post again cause wolf is right on the money with it. And asking if he carries a revolver cocked come on now nobody does that but a novice looking for trouble.
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HD-kutz
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He didn't but he did mention the manufacturer and the safety. I guess you get to pick and chose what you accept from the manufacturer. As far as the revolver comparison when you rack a glock it is technically at half cock and it takes very little in the way of clothing, holster catching or an errant finger to finish the firing.
Yep that's me a novice. Thank you for the advise.
AndeyHall
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I'm not sure I saw anywhere where he went off track. He asked the guy first why something could go anymore sideways with his Glock than with his Taurus. He then included the argument before that was talking about the fact that most everyone doesn't hesitate to carry with all cylinders loaded in a revolver yet most don't have any safety, only a double-action trigger. Now your question about the hammer is a bit irrelevant.
Wow, you didn't read at all! He never came anywhere close to saying that the manual suggests carrying with a loaded chamber. He said that they say not to rely on the manual safety because it is a mechanical device that can potentially fail, which I do think a lot of manuals say. I can't speak for all because I think I've only read one manual out of the many guns I've owned. Most guns are pretty self explanatory so I've never seen the need.
There was a video a couple pages back that showed a guy walk into a store and start shooting. One of the patrons had a gun and under stress was trying to rack a round into the chamber. He never could get it and eventually dies from multiple gunshots.
Negligent discharges are a huge argument for not letting college students carry to class, yet the state of Utah has been allowing its college students to carry concealed to class for a combined total of over 200 semesters now with not one negligent discharge to date. The fact is, they happen primarily in the home where people are showing off their guns and being super unsafe in their handling practices.
I've never heard of "Glock Leg" but I'm assuming that's someone shooting their leg from a trigger snag. My guess too is that it happens primarily with the wanna be gangsters who tuck straight into their pants with no holster. Most holster have absolutely nothing that could possibly snag a trigger.
Not relevant to the discussion? That IS the discussion.
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