Remington - and Bushmaster - staying in NY despite SAFE act...

[ezkl2230]

Remington - and Bushmaster - staying in NY despite SAFE Act...

While numerous companies have either moved or made plans to move from NY, Remington - and Bushmaster - is staying put. It continues to accept money from the state for its operations/expansions, and is apparently still selling to NY agencies while other firearms/ammo manufacturers have boycotted the state, even though many of the products manufactured and sold by them (all Bushmaster products, specifically) cannot even be legally purchased by their own employees.

Your thoughts on this?

Will you continue to purchase Remington, Bushmaster or other Freedom Group products (including ammo) manufactured in NY, or is it time for Remington, Bushmaster, and other Freedom Group companies to experience the consequences suffered by S&W when they willingly cooperated with the Clinton administration and nearly went bankrupt as a result?

Remington Has No Plans to Leave New York

 

[nogods]

Name one other firearms company that has stopped selling to New York State or any NYS agency. Just one.

 

[ezkl2230]

Name one other firearms company that has stopped selling to New York State or any NYS agency. Just one.

Olympic Arms, LaRue Tactical, EFI, Barrett for starters. For a more complete list (numbering 142 manufacturers), go to http://www.ncgunblog.com/new-york-boycott/.

Barrett, in particular, had sales pending with the NYPD, which they cancelled, as well as informing the NYPD and other NY agencies that own Barrett products in writing that they would no longer service them, unless this legislation was reversed.

 

[BluesStringer]

Name one other firearms company that has stopped selling to New York State or any NYS agency. Just one.

That's not the point or activity the OP is talking about. He's referring to Beretta and a couple (at least) other gun manufacturers and accessory companies moving their operations out of NY. There are at least three who have stated their intentions to move out, Beretta being one and I can't recall the other two that I've heard about right now. They are taking tax revenue and jobs out of the jurisdiction that won't allow its citizens to even own the products they make. Not sure if any of them have plans to sell to NY state or LE agencies once they're set up elsewhere, but there's a huge economic toll they're imposing on the state for its liberty-killing laws nonetheless.

As far as the question in the OP, I'm going to say no, I won't buy from Bushmaster or Remington. Mostly because I'm not in the market for any other guns at the moment, but also because if I were, there are better values to be had for similar products made by companies that have no qualms about supporting citizens' rights in real or symbolic ways.

That said, I have no particular criticisms of their decisions to stay in NY. People are free to live and do business wherever they wish. I question the sanity of the citizens who stay there as much as the companies. They, too, are contributing to supporting the economy there even though it is their rights being violated more so than the commercial concerns'. For me, it's simply a question of value as to whether or not I buy from one company or another.

Blues

 

[Koolbota]

That's not the point or activity the OP is talking about. He's referring to Beretta and a couple (at least) other gun manufacturers and accessory companies moving their operations out of NY. There are at least three who have stated their intentions to move out, Beretta being one and I can't recall the other two that I've heard about right now. They are taking tax revenue and jobs out of the jurisdiction that won't allow its citizens to even own the products they make. Not sure if any of them have plans to sell to NY state or LE agencies once they're set up elsewhere, but there's a huge economic toll they're imposing on the state for its liberty-killing laws nonetheless.

As far as the question in the OP, I'm going to say no, I won't buy from Bushmaster or Remington. Mostly because I'm not in the market for any other guns at the moment, but also because if I were, there are better values to be had for similar products made by companies that have no qualms about supporting citizens' rights in real or symbolic ways.

That said, I have no particular criticisms of their decisions to stay in NY. People are free to live and do business wherever they wish. I question the sanity of the citizens who stay there as much as the companies. They, too, are contributing to supporting the economy there even though it is their rights being violated more so than the commercial concerns'. For me, it's simply a question of value as to whether or not I buy from one company or another.

Blues

Remington got a deal, an $80M deal in fact to stay in NY.

They chose your enemy over you.

 

[Koolbota]

Remington ban = Freedom Group ban?

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Since Remington sold out and choose a government payoff and are staying in New York, is everyone banning the rest of the compaines that are owned by the Freedom Group?

Here's their website and a list of companies:

Link Removed

REMINGTON
BUSHMASTER
REMINGTON MILITARY
REMINGTON LE
MARLIN FIREARMS
H&R 1871
DAKOTA ARMS
TAPCO
DPMS / Panther Arms
PARKER GUNMAKERS
BARNES BULLETS
ADVANCED ARMAMENT
PARA USA
REMINGTON PMPD
MOUNTAIN KHAKIS

I won't buy anything from any of them. I didn't realize that Tapco was part of the Freedom Group until I went on the website.

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[Koolbota]

The Lines Are Being Drawn, I hope that you see this.

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Friday, March 8, 2013

Remington Arms Says It Will Stay in New York

The Firearms Manufacturer Will Also Be Given $80 Million Dollars by the Pentagon over the Next 10 Years

ILION, N.Y. — Remington Arms will be staying in the MohawkValley for the foreseeable future. Two days after sources say Remington Officials met with three State Senators and three Assembly, U.S. Congressman Richard Hanna announced that the Pentagon would be awarding Remington an $80 million contract.

In the meeting, sources say, Remington told the State lawmakers that they were moving forward with a $20 million upgrade to their plant that employs 1,200 people.

Hanna said that the contract calls for Remington to make more than 5,000 sniper rifles and millions of rounds over the next 10 years for the U.S. Special Operations Command.

Concerns were raised about the company's future in HerkimerCounty after the Legislature passed a law banning the sale of military-style rifles, including the Bushmaster product made at the Remington plant. Since the law was passed in mid-January, other states have shown interest in having Remington relocate the plant.

 

[AndeyHall]

Mine told me if he found out that he had come from one of those states after they passed these laws, he would shoot himself. But I'm still trying to figure out if he meant that suicidally or recreationally...

 

[BluesStringer]

Remington got a deal, an $80M deal in fact to stay in NY.

They chose your enemy over you.

I suppose a short-sighted, shallow interpretation of the facts could look at it that way. Tell us where in this country the 2nd Amendment is fully supported by its state government though. Tell us where a company can move to in this country whose revenue generation doesn't support a tyrannical, usurping government machine, whether the usurpations are relative to the 2nd Amendment or some other civil rights issue. Best of luck with that.

The $80M deal you reference is a deal with the Pentagon, not the State of NY. How do you get that Remington is being "bought off" by NY or whatever your implication is in light of that fact?

I don't care who buys or doesn't buy from Remington or any other Freedom Group subsidiary. I also don't care where companies start their businesses or continue to operate from. Remington and the rest are as much victims of anti-2nd-Amendment laws as their customers are. I've got so much righteous outrage for what's going on in this country that I have no more to give for "The Outrage of the Day" like whether or not a manufacturer pulls up stakes just to go someplace that has some lesser degree of tyranny for the time being, which from the things you've consistently said, I think you would agree is a temporary circumstance at best. If you do have energy to devote to such trivialities, rage away.

Remington chose nothing over me. I wasn't going to be one of their customers anyway, nor would they be fighting my enemies for me when the times comes, whether or not they stayed or left NY. I guess you could say I'm way ahead of the curve in this boycott business where Remington is concerned, though my lack of patronage has never been a political statement. I just think I get more bang for my buck from Savage or even Weatherby's lower-end hunting rifle type of weapons, which is the only line of Remington's that I might be interested in to begin with.

The notion that Remington chose my enemy over me simply by staying where they've been for over a hundred years now, is as asinine as saying that 2Awarrior, or BC1, or golocx4 or any other NY'ers on the board have made a choice over what I would choose for them. Of course they have, and they should. It's called individual freedom. Remington's decisions are called economic freedom.

Sometimes you are interesting, but you're just as often ridiculous in what you say. You have that freedom though, so have at it if that's what floats your boat.

Blues

 

[Koolbota]

I suppose a short-sighted, shallow interpretation of the facts could look at it that way. Tell us where in this country the 2nd Amendment is fully supported by its state government though. Tell us where a company can move to in this country whose revenue generation doesn't support a tyrannical, usurping government machine, whether the usurpations are relative to the 2nd Amendment or some other civil rights issue. Best of luck with that.

The $80M deal you reference is a deal with the Pentagon, not the State of NY. How do you get that Remington is being "bought off" by NY or whatever your implication is in light of that fact?

I don't care who buys or doesn't buy from Remington or any other Freedom Group subsidiary. I also don't care where companies start their businesses or continue to operate from. Remington and the rest are as much victims of anti-2nd-Amendment laws as their customers are. I've got so much righteous outrage for what's going on in this country that I have no more to give for "The Outrage of the Day" like whether or not a manufacturer pulls up stakes just to go someplace that has some lesser degree of tyranny for the time being, which from the things you've consistently said, I think you would agree is a temporary circumstance at best. If you do have energy to devote to such trivialities, rage away.

Remington chose nothing over me. I wasn't going to be one of their customers anyway, nor would they be fighting my enemies for me when the times comes, whether or not they stayed or left NY. I guess you could say I'm way ahead of the curve in this boycott business where Remington is concerned, though my lack of patronage has never been a political statement. I just think I get more bang for my buck from Savage or even Weatherby's lower-end hunting rifle type of weapons, which is the only line of Remington's that I might be interested in to begin with.

The notion that Remington chose my enemy over me simply by staying where they've been for over a hundred years now, is as asinine as saying that 2Awarrior, or BC1, or golocx4 or any other NY'ers on the board have made a choice over what I would choose for them. Of course they have, and they should. It's called individual freedom. Remington's decisions are called economic freedom.

Sometimes you are interesting, but you're just as often ridiculous in what you say. You have that freedom though, so have at it if that's what floats your boat.

Blues

Oh, surely you are smarter than that?

For the same reasons that DHS purchased their own munitions plant in Maryland a couple of months ago, they have also secured Remington within the NE stronghold.

I guess you have forgotten the lessons of the first civil war? The North possessed the steel mills, rails, industry, advances arms, and had a great advantage over the South.
I'm not suggesting a replay here, North and South, but we really are divide into 4 regions. Why do you think the Regime wants an open southern border? Why are they reaching for Texas?

They secured Remington for a strategic reason.

 

[Warbirds]

Name one other firearms company that has stopped selling to New York State or any NYS agency. Just one.

ezkl2230 was kind enough to answer your question, even though it is actually 143.... shame on him...... rebuttal?

 

[shooter2384]

Things could change on the 29th when the hearing for the Tresmond lawsuit is held. An injunction could end the safe act, then we have to end the careers of the politicians that passed it.

 

[Koolbota]

Blues, this may help you define the regions I spoke of...LOL

 

[BluesStringer]

Oh, surely you are smarter than that?

For the same reasons that DHS purchased their own munitions plant in Maryland a couple of months ago, they have also secured Remington within the NE stronghold.

I guess you have forgotten the lessons of the first civil war? The North possessed the steel mills, rails, industry, advances arms, and had a great advantage over the South.
I'm not suggesting a replay here, North and South, but we really are divide into 4 regions. Why do you think the Regime wants an open southern border? Why are they reaching for Texas?

They secured Remington for a strategic reason.

And what would be different if Remington moved? Would they suddenly become the suppliers of the (virtually non-existent) Patriot Movement? Would you expect a simple change of location to inspire their decision to stop fulfilling government orders?

Nothing would change at all simply by virtue of Remington (or any other manufacturer) moving out of NY, except that easily-fooled sheeple would think the move was "for The People," and feel perfectly fine about buying their products. Is that what you want? If that's all you're arguing in favor of, like I said, it seems rather a short-sighted and shallow understanding and/or analysis of what's going on to me.

If you want Remington or any other government contractor to supply Patriots, they'll have to be captured and taken by force if/when the war you allude goes hot. That's how war works. Just as you say the gvm't secured Remington as a strategic asset, all factions of any hot war will have to capture and take over all the strategic assets they are capable of. If you think that Remington is going to volunteer to stop feeding the military industrial complex against the best interests of The People before a hot war breaks out, you are terminally naive. And truthfully, I don't think you are naive. In any case, whether in NY or elsewhere, Remington is obviously a committed gvm't contractor, and I only responded to the meme that their decision to stay in NY was somehow a betrayal to We, The People. Any betrayal was imposed sometime back in the War of Northern Aggression era when they became a preferred gvm't contractor, and a change of location would do absolutely nothing to change that. I'll cede that they would be much easier to sack if they were down here in Dixie or in Wyoming or Montana somewhere, but for now, they're free to make that decision for themselves, and getting outraged over that decision seems rather a waste of energy to this Patriot. But like I said, rage on if that's what floats your boat.

Blues

 

[nogods]

Olympic Arms, LaRue Tactical, EFI, Barrett for starters. For a more complete list (numbering 142 manufacturers), go to New York Boycott (UPDATED: No more Naughty List) - An NC Gun Blog.

Barrett, in particular, had sales pending with the NYPD, which they cancelled, as well as informing the NYPD and other NY agencies that own Barrett products in writing that they would no longer service them, unless this legislation was reversed.

That list is BS - those companies didn't have contacts to sell anything to NYS. All public contracts are public information and are listed at a website maintained by the nys comptroller.

Second, any company that did have a contract with NYS would be bound by contract law to honor it.

The BS some people will swallow is amazing.

 

[Koolbota]

And what would be different if Remington moved? Would they suddenly become the suppliers of the (virtually non-existent) Patriot Movement? Would you expect a simple change of location to inspire their decision to stop fulfilling government orders?

Nothing would change at all simply by virtue of Remington (or any other manufacturer) moving out of NY, except that easily-fooled sheeple would think the move was "for The People," and feel perfectly fine about buying their products. Is that what you want? If that's all you're arguing in favor of, like I said, it seems rather a short-sighted and shallow understanding and/or analysis of what's going on to me.

If you want Remington or any other government contractor to supply Patriots, they'll have to be captured and taken by force if/when the war you allude goes hot. That's how war works. Just as you say the gvm't secured Remington as a strategic asset, all factions of any hot war will have to capture and take over all the strategic assets they are capable of. If you think that Remington is going to volunteer to stop feeding the military industrial complex against the best interests of The People before a hot war breaks out, you are terminally naive. And truthfully, I don't think you are naive. In any case, whether in NY or elsewhere, Remington is obviously a committed gvm't contractor, and I only responded to the meme that their decision to stay in NY was somehow a betrayal to We, The People. Any betrayal was imposed sometime back in the War of Northern Aggression era when they became a preferred gvm't contractor, and a change of location would do absolutely nothing to change that. I'll cede that they would be much easier to sack if they were down here in Dixie or in Wyoming or Montana somewhere, but for now, they're free to make that decision for themselves, and getting outraged over that decision seems rather a waste of energy to this Patriot. But like I said, rage on if that's what floats your boat.

Blues

The point is who is choosing who's side. Identification of the enemy.

The only thing naive is not to accept the Regime's intent.

For example, 99% of the folks on this site believe that ammo will return to the shelves, prices will come down, 'just give it a couple of months and all will be right with the world'. It will not.
You, YOU, will be starved out, food, money, ammo, arms, time, blood.......whatever it takes.

 

[Koolbota]

That list is BS - those companies didn't have contacts to sell anything to NYS. All public contracts are public information and are listed at a website maintained by the nys comptroller.

Second, any company that did have a contract with NYS would be bound by contract law to honor it.

The BS some people will swallow is amazing.

I don't know about the list, but there are a number of suppliers, armors, dealers, who have openly stated that they will not cooperate with local and state and fed agency. Barrett in fact published an open letter himself stating so, in fact he has refused to ship to Kali for a couple of years now.

 

[BluesStringer]

The point is who is choosing who's side. Identification of the enemy.

The only thing naive is not to accept the Regime's intent.

For example, 99% of the folks on this site believe that ammo will return to the shelves, prices will come down, 'just give it a couple of months and all will be right with the world'. It will not.
You, YOU, will be starved out, food, money, ammo, arms, time, blood.......whatever it takes.

Look, I made the simple statement that I had no particular criticisms of Remington's decision to stay in NY. I didn't leave anything out of that statement. I didn't argue that they are our friends or that they're not consorting with our enemies. I simply commented on the question asked in the OP, would their decision to stay there effect my purchasing decisions going forward? No. Their decision to stay is meaningless to anything I need to consider or get worked up over. Full stop. That's all I said.

You challenged me on that specific statement and I have gone out of my way to clarify it beyond any potential for misunderstanding what I meant, and you're still arguing about things that have absolutely nothing to do with the OP, my comment in reply to it, or anything I've said subsequently about Remington.

Rage on lsmurphy, rage on. You are already trespassing here against the site-owner's wishes. I won't bother trying to politely engage you anymore. You prove every time anyone does engage you in normal conversation why you were banned in the first place. Good bye.

Blues

 

[BC1]

...even though many of the products manufactured and sold by them (all Bushmaster products, specifically) cannot even be legally purchased by their own employees.

Your thoughts on this?

It's important to understand that NY did not outlaw the assault weapon, but rather imposed a means test requiring the guns meet certain requirements in order to be sold. Certain features aren't allowed. I didn't expect the larger companies to relocate over this. The cost of moving is massive, perhaps not survivable by the company. What it does show is that the only thing important in corporate America is profits.

 

[Warbirds]

That list is BS - those companies didn't have contacts to sell anything to NYS. All public contracts are public information and are listed at a website maintained by the nys comptroller.

Second, any company that did have a contract with NYS would be bound by contract law to honor it.

The BS some people will swallow is amazing.

Shame on you, you haven't been reading your Liberal newsletters. Liberals have given up on the "liar liar pants on fire" tactic and now make up statistics.

Let me help you.

Because 40% of all firearm companies are going to move to New York, and 90% want the New York laws to be passed in every state.

There now spread that around in the liberal media and claim it is true.



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