What IF Scenario

[aich]

Just had a scenario play out in my mind, was looking for some feedback.

Say person A is CCW in a grocery store and stumbles upon a robbery in progress, so person A pulls out his firearm and demands the perp lay on the floor while the authorities are on the way.

While they are waiting for the police to arrive person B walks in and sees person A holding a firearm. Person B is also a CCW holder and unaware of the situation he sees a threat and pulls out his own firearm and tries to secure the scene.

Now my question is this, if you are person A how do you handle this scenario!? What would you say what would you do what wouldnt you do!?

Thanks, for anyone that replies

 

[Deserteagle]

Person A should be calling police and taking cover, not trying to imitate a police officer.

 

[billiam]

Just had a scenario play out in my mind, was looking for some feedback.

Say person A is CCW in a grocery store and stumbles upon a robbery in progress, so person A pulls out his firearm and demands the perp lay on the floor while the authorities are on the way.

While they are waiting for the police to arrive person B walks in and sees person A holding a firearm. Person B is also a CCW holder and unaware of the situation he sees a threat and pulls out his own firearm and tries to secure the scene.

Now my question is this, if you are person A how do you handle this scenario!? What would you say what would you do what wouldnt you do!?

Thanks, for anyone that replies

Why do you idiots post stuff like this and where are the forum moderators.....Ok, let's say you are person A.....you immediately s*** your pants!!!

 

[Treo]

Perfect example of why when one stumbles upon a robbery one minds one’s own business and tries to be a good witness instead of a hero

 

[robstid]

Just had a scenario play out in my mind, was looking for some feedback.

Say person A is CCW in a grocery store and stumbles upon a robbery in progress, so person A pulls out his firearm and demands the perp lay on the floor while the authorities are on the way.

While they are waiting for the police to arrive person B walks in and sees person A holding a firearm. Person B is also a CCW holder and unaware of the situation he sees a threat and pulls out his own firearm and tries to secure the scene.

Now my question is this, if you are person A how do you handle this scenario!? What would you say what would you do what wouldnt you do!?

Thanks, for anyone that replies

Easy,just flash your shiny ccw badge,you'll be fine......LOL JK. This is just me but if my family or myself isn't in any immediate danger, my weapon will stay holstered. I will not play hero or cop, instead I will be taking cover and calling the cops.

 

[aj's 40 cal]

Easy,just flash your shiny ccw badge,you'll be fine......LOL JK. This is just me but if my family or myself isn't in any immediate danger, my weapon will stay holstered. I will not play hero or cop, instead I will be taking cover and calling the cops.

You forgot to add the bright red CCW sash while holding the CCW badge and screaming to freeze and drop the wepon, let me see your hands...lol (lame attempt at humor)

Person A should be getting himself and or family to a safe loaction and call 911, give good info on the situation and clothing and overall just be a good witness to the event. Dont be a hero, unless its a life or death situation. Your live is worth more that a stores cash box.

 

[aich]

now i get it, ccw is for YOUR defense, not to help somebody in distress. let them get shot and killed as long as you arent in danger! note taken!

 

[father-of-three]

Some states require a retreat, depending on circumstances. Drawing a firearm when one's life is not in mortal danger is not a good idea. I realize that details can be added of subtracted from this scenario that can change the options, but I'm just going with what was stated.

 

[SR40c]

now i get it, ccw is for YOUR defense, not to help somebody in distress. let them get shot and killed as long as you arent in danger! note taken!

That's exactly right. If you live in a state that throws you in jail for protecting yourself, that's exactly how you have to play it. You will go to prison if you do it on someone elses behalf.

 

[eagleeyes]

''person A.....you immediately s*** your pants!!!''
rotflmao!!

 

[nogods]

now i get it, ccw is for YOUR defense, not to help somebody in distress. let them get shot and killed as long as you arent in danger! note taken!

So you think your ccw license deputizes you also? Then why should you have a choice? Everyone who has a ccw should be obligated to use it for community police functions. Failure to do so should result in arrest.

 

[BC1]

now i get it, ccw is for YOUR defense, not to help somebody in distress. let them get shot and killed as long as you arent in danger! note taken!

The best advice is stay out until you can't. Sometimes that means you'll need to help another and sometimes not; no two situations are the same. But as far as the robbery goes, most clerks are instructed to give up the money. Insurance will cover the monetary losses. If you use your gun in defense of self or others, whether you are right or wrong, it will probably ruin your life. When teaching PP classes we specifically advise students the same. Only draw your gun when the situation is so bad you must ruin your life to survive (or save another). Be assured there will likely be large legal bills and possibly a lawsuit whn the dust settles. Are you prepared to lose your retirement, kids college money or a home to cover the legal costs? Learn from Geroge Zimmerman.

A great book is "In The Gravest Extreme" by Mas Ayoob. After reading that book you'll think very hard about this subject.

Hypothetical situations allow you to think through a scenario without the stress asnd speed of a violent attack. One may react differently in a real situation. We can teach a skill set but can never tell a student just how an incident might unfold as each is unique.

 

[Deserteagle]

now i get it, ccw is for YOUR defense, not to help somebody in distress. let them get shot and killed as long as you arent in danger! note taken!

Lets say you witness a father hit his kid in the store. Are you going to pull your gun, point it at the father and order him to the ground? After all, somebody is in distress.

 

[BC1]

Lets say you witness a father hit his kid in the store. Are you going to pull your gun, point it at the father and order him to the ground? After all, somebody is in distress.

Funny story...

Nearly 35 years ago (at 16 years old) I was working in a store toy department. We would goof-off upstairs in the security office looking down at the toy department. A little boy was playing with toys when his father (I assume) walked up and started hitting him. He lifted the little guy right off the ground by his arm. I went down into the store, grabbed my coat and headed for the door. As I walked up on the guy, still in the aisle, he smiled and nodded. I clocked him in the face with everything I had and just kept walking. He smacked the ground and took a short nap. Later I heard he had no idea who hit him, couldn't describe anyone. I felt all warm and fuzzy inside. In restrospect it was a cold thing for me to have done. But sometimes there's gotta be a bigger dog.

 

[father-of-three]

now i get it, ccw is for YOUR defense, not to help somebody in distress. let them get shot and killed as long as you arent in danger! note taken!

It depends on the state one is in. If you define "distress" as mortal danger, that is acceptable in some states.

 

[Mobuck]

If doing the right thing "is going to ruin your life" maybe it's just as well to drop the MOFO in his tracks and walk away. That way there's a chance you won't be caught.
If this is the mind set, it's time to do some changing in the way self defense is treated.

 

[father-of-three]

If doing the right thing "is going to ruin your life" maybe it's just as well to drop the MOFO in his tracks and walk away. That way there's a chance you won't be caught.
If this is the mind set, it's time to do some changing in the way self defense is treated.

BC1 can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he described it the way he did to emphasize the severity and consequences of using lethal force in a life threatening situaiton. It is true that some who have used lethal force, like the young lady in Oklahoma, had no charges against them. However, it took Gerald Ung (a Philadelphia college student) 1 year in court to clear himself, only to now have the one he acted against try to personally sue him now. I would imagine that the Zimmerman case will take just as long, if not longer. "Stopping" the attacker lethally, which can mean the same as "drop," does remove that individual from being able to provide testimony. I will assume that there are not too many bad guys who survived being shot who will accept and agree with the justification for lethal force to be used against them.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Personally, I am going to draw my gun to shoot at somebody, not to arrest them. Then when the threat is over, I reholster my firearm and......

<Everything following is in jest>

deploy my tactical CCW sash:

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[localgirl]

Every time I see one of these threads, I think about a friend's father, who was in AA.

I would get all wrapped up in stress and anxiety, running around spouting "what ifs" about my life, and finally, he would half shout, "What if a giant green gorilla falls out of the sky and (deleted) you up the (deleted)?!"

Needless to say, it got the point across. There's no point in worrying about things that might happen.

That being said, I am one who is likely to engage in these sorts of situations, providing I know exactly what is going on and am confident I can take control. But until it actually happens, there's just no saying.

 

[truetopath]

The only time my gun is coming out of my holster in a SD situation is when I have to fire to stop a threat, not to hold someone at gunpoint for the cops to show up. If it has to come out it's a grave situation and firing will commence until the threat is stopped at which point it will go back in the holster until LEO's arrive so I don't get gunned down as a case of mistaken identity.