Firefighterchen
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Gaby89:235671 said:
Washington is pretty awesome...except for it's knife laws...
Open carry experience...
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Washington is pretty awesome...except for it's knife laws...
Axeanda45
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Touche'
You have given some valid arguments for your position here... I actually agree with most of them.
However, YOU FAIL to realize just how hampered your reaction time and decision making will be if you are worrying about this crap all the time..... If you hesitate, you may be dead.... I would much rather be judged by 12 liberals than to be carried by 6 Constitutionalists.......
Providence Ranch
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On the contrary, making these considerations beforehand, and having the proper mindset, will only serve to reduce any hesitating I might otherwise have had in that moment. This is why these discussions are so important. They help each of us to solidify in our own minds how mentally and physically prepared we will be, and under what circumstances we will act, and what action we will take or not. Imagine for a moment, how prepared you would have been, mentally, if on your very first day carrying a weapon in public as a civilian you were confronted with an aggressor who forced you to consider presenting and possibly firing your weapon. And now consider how mentally prepared you are now, with all of the training, research, and discussion you have had since then. I think you would agree that your mindset is more prepared, and you have made some critical "if, then" decisions already. These will help you react more quickly and decisively, just as deciding now how to live your life will affect whether you have a beer bottle in your hand when your other one goes for your weapon. I admit readily that none of us are going to be cool, calm and collected on the day we are forced to defend ourselves. But through training and mental preparation, we may be able to remove just enough hesitation to avoid dying. And by making smart decisions and lifestyle choices now, we might be able to remove just enough other BS factors to avoid life in prison.
You miss my whole point because you took my conmment out of context. What I said was, through this whole thread, was that the gun on my belt while I am enjoying an alcoholic beverage or two at an entertainment venue or with dinner at a restaurant is no more of a danger to anybody than a set of car keys in the pocket. Yes, there are people who will hand over car keys before they start drinking, but the vast majority of people don't, especially when moderately drinking in a setting less conducive to drinking to intoxication such as a restaurant during dinner.
There is NO DIFFERENCE between the gun on my belt and the car keys in my pocket. Several people say they would leave a location where they knew there was a person consuming alcohol who was carrying a gun. And I say that you are much more likely to die from a person drinking alcolhol with a set of car keys in their pocket than from a gun on their belt, yet I doubt very seriously you would have any problems finishing your dinner at applebees when a guy comes in and orders a beer with car keys in his pocket, but you will run for the door if I come in wearing a gun and order a beer.
Is the guy who drinks beer a bad example to good drivers everywhere because he has car keys in his pocket, or a set of car keys hanging from his belt?
Firefighterchen
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Shooting a BAR, an MG42, a Grease Gun, an M1917A1 HMG, an M1919A4 LMG & STEN Mk. II SMG - YouTube
I clicked the link...it brought me to this! BAR's are AWESOME
I clicked the link...it brought me to this! BAR's are AWESOME
Firefighterchen
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So I google'd it like you wanted us to....
There are shootings at bars...but only 1 involved bar patrons. (which looked more like a blacks vs whites: saggy jeans, oversized sweatshirts, no aiming, firing the handgun sideways, drinking was the not the culprit...genetic stupidity was) The rest just so happened to be involved AT a bar...by someone going on a shooting rampage or drive by shooting. Still can't find one of a drunk person using their weapon irresponsibly.
Does anyone smoke cigarettes and carry? Drink caffeine and carry? Take prescription medication and carry? Would you consider wine tasting to be excess drinking while carrying? Do you carry when you are tired? Do you carry right after you work out? All of these can impair judgement and skill...
Know you're limits. Not like the drunk, saying he knows his limits as he vomits (which is not the same kind of drinking we are talking about here)...but we all as carriers need to know our limits. All limits: our speed, precision, endurance, mental capacity.
Do you think someone who is so out of shape he can't sprint 50 yards without being winded...turning to shoot but can barely make a sight picture because of his lack of wellness should be carrying? I bet Navy could have 3 beers and still make a decent group.
There are shootings at bars...but only 1 involved bar patrons. (which looked more like a blacks vs whites: saggy jeans, oversized sweatshirts, no aiming, firing the handgun sideways, drinking was the not the culprit...genetic stupidity was) The rest just so happened to be involved AT a bar...by someone going on a shooting rampage or drive by shooting. Still can't find one of a drunk person using their weapon irresponsibly.
Does anyone smoke cigarettes and carry? Drink caffeine and carry? Take prescription medication and carry? Would you consider wine tasting to be excess drinking while carrying? Do you carry when you are tired? Do you carry right after you work out? All of these can impair judgement and skill...
Know you're limits. Not like the drunk, saying he knows his limits as he vomits (which is not the same kind of drinking we are talking about here)...but we all as carriers need to know our limits. All limits: our speed, precision, endurance, mental capacity.
Do you think someone who is so out of shape he can't sprint 50 yards without being winded...turning to shoot but can barely make a sight picture because of his lack of wellness should be carrying? I bet Navy could have 3 beers and still make a decent group.
It's obvious that there is group of people here who react to objects rather than actions. I can be having a nice dinner with my family, or sitting listening to band with a beer on the table and nobody reacts. But when the ONLY thing that changes in the scenario is a gun properly holstered on my belt - now "pro-gun" people say they will head for the door, even though NOTHING else has changed in the entire situation other than an item on my belt.
That is reacting to the object pure and simple. I understand, though.... it's hard not to think that way when that is what the Brady Bunch and anti-gun groups have been indoctrinating the public to do now for many decades - react to the object rather than behavior.
That is reacting to the object pure and simple. I understand, though.... it's hard not to think that way when that is what the Brady Bunch and anti-gun groups have been indoctrinating the public to do now for many decades - react to the object rather than behavior.
It's obvious you don't understand. It comes down to evaluating the situation and deciding if my safety and peace of mind is worth what is going on. Let me give you some examples.
Would I fly in a plane with a pilot that is drinking? Would I hunt with someone that is drinking? Would I go to the dentist that is drinking? Would I drive with someone that is drinking? Would I let my babysitter drink? Would I put up with a police officer that is drinking? In every case the answer is no. in every case the person is in a position of trust and in every case you can really screw things up.
Now would I play golf with someone that is drinking, sure everyone loves a clown. Would I care if the guy mowing my lawn drinks... Nope. Do I care what you do when I am not around...nope. Not until you effect someone I know do I care.
You have placed yourself in a position of responsibility, you are carrying a firearm and are responsible for what you do with it. I just don't think you are acting responsibly.
Would I fly in a plane with a pilot that is drinking? Would I hunt with someone that is drinking? Would I go to the dentist that is drinking? Would I drive with someone that is drinking? Would I let my babysitter drink? Would I put up with a police officer that is drinking? In every case the answer is no. in every case the person is in a position of trust and in every case you can really screw things up.
Now would I play golf with someone that is drinking, sure everyone loves a clown. Would I care if the guy mowing my lawn drinks... Nope. Do I care what you do when I am not around...nope. Not until you effect someone I know do I care.
You have placed yourself in a position of responsibility, you are carrying a firearm and are responsible for what you do with it. I just don't think you are acting responsibly.
Well, your welcome to leave the airplane, not hunt with someone, switch dentists, walk, fire your babysitter and file a complaint against a police officer. You are also welcome to leave the building when I come in with my gun on my belt. It has no effect on me. It does provide a bad example for the anti-gun crowd, however, when you show them that you support their idea that there is a reason to fear a person who is enganging in normal American activities for no other reason than they are responsibly, properly and legally carrying a firearm.
Providence Ranch
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@NavyLCDR
Some good points, but some not so much. Your assumption that some are reacting purely to an object is inaccurate. They, and I, are reacting to your capacity for reasonable decision-making. Just because you CAN have a beer while lawfully carrying does not make it wise or prudent, and it certainly does not send the proper image or message to our anti-gun counterparts. Nonetheless, despite the fact that your decision defies all logic, I wholly support your right to make it.
Some good points, but some not so much. Your assumption that some are reacting purely to an object is inaccurate. They, and I, are reacting to your capacity for reasonable decision-making. Just because you CAN have a beer while lawfully carrying does not make it wise or prudent, and it certainly does not send the proper image or message to our anti-gun counterparts. Nonetheless, despite the fact that your decision defies all logic, I wholly support your right to make it.
Providence Ranch
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NavyLCDR:235743 said:
Well, I agree with "legally." Does that count?
NavyLCDR:235743 said:
I agree, I will get off the plane..fire the babysitter...etc.
Let me clarify... I do not support you drinking and carrying. The anti gun groups may think the same thing but trying to make a connection between us a lame excuse to justify your actions. Alcohol lowers you inhibitions...they don't call it "beer goggles" because alcohol leads you to beauty...you wake up to something coyote ugly. And your excuse is that you can handle it....
I would leave you to your drinking and carrying... You won't effect me...until you do something stupid and then you will effect my ability to carry a firearm. That very same group you say I am helping will appreciate the support.
BTW I CC, so all the anti gun groups will "see" is an ordinary person walking out the door. You are the one OCing while downing the beers for everyone to see.
Grognard Gunny
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NavyLCDR:235782 said:
I think this means we are done. You think I am stupid, I think you make poor decisions.
Regardless NavyLCDR, I enjoyed the conversation. I think I may jump into another thread and make a disparaging remark about anyone that carries a .45 or a glock just to have something entertaining to read. I don't really think that but some if the people here are funny.
