Open carry experience...

[grmerrill]

I like warm and fuzzy over dead and bloody. And yes I never drink. I know too many people that have suffered because of other people drinking.

In my opinion you loose credibility every time you post one of your OCing and drinking posts.

And to clarify, both OCing and CCing while drinking is wrong in my opinion.

 

[Providence Ranch]

Despite the biting sarcasm, which really adds nothing to the substance of your argument, you make a good point, NAVYlcdr. Sobriety is just as important at home as outside the home. However, something you may not have considered is that I am not the only armed person in my home. And when in my home, I am much more in control of my environment than when in public. Furthermore, a jury is much more likely to be sympathetic to a person who is enjoying a beer or glass of wine in their own home when forced to defend themselves, than the person who purposefully carried into a bar, had a few, and then had to do so. These considerations play into my decision. One which we all have to make for ourselves.

I resent the suggestion that I would support laws against any amount of drinking while armed. I never said such a thing, and I would not. Choice is what made this country free in the first place. I do believe that being intoxicated (i.e. above the legal BAC) while armed is just as irresponsible and dangerous as driving or boating while under the influence, and are very appropriately illegal.

As I said before, you make your choice, I've already made mine. Until your choice starts to affect the safety of others, we won't have an issue.

 

[S&WM&P40]

A kid I know in our city decided it was a great idea to go shooting and drinking. Long story short he ended up shooting himself in the hand with the 45 caliber handgun he was shooting.

I refuse to go shooting with anyone who thinks drinking and shooting should go hand and hand!

I do support your right to drink and use/carry firearms if you choose to. But I will leave the room/area if you choose to do so around me and my family.

I feel uneasy about driving after just one drink, even if I'm well then under the legal limit.

My feeling is there should be no "Legal Limit" I don't feel people should be drinking and then driving to begin with. But again those are my views and I respect your right to do as you please. I'm not out to choke down my feelings/view points on anyone.

 

[Axeanda45]

I open carried today, only comment I got was "nice piece"........ I am just hoping he was talking about my firearm.......

The ONLY problems I have EVER had concerning my open carrying have been from ignorant cops....

My opinion on drinking while armed is that those who carry a firearm for self defense are not the type to get into trouble in the first place, or we more than likely would already be a felon, and unable to legally carry anyway..........So whats the darn problem here other than these self-righteous individuals who cannot trust themselves to be armed while drinking projecting THEIR OWN FEARS of what they would do if armed while drinking onto others...... If you have no problem doing it yourself, then do it, if not, why are you giving those who CAN trust themselves to behave all this grief???

 

[grmerrill]

The problem seems to be the self righteous people that care about their beer more than other people safety. I'm sure every drunk driver went out with the intention of getting drunk. I wonder how many also said "I can handle it".

You chose to drink and carry, I chose to to stay away from people that make that decision. Best case scenario your decisions only screw up your own life.

 

[tuts40]

Well, I suppose the CCW badge deterred any terror by fellow patrons.

 

[Axeanda45]

The problem seems to be the self righteous people that care about their beer more than other people safety. I'm sure every drunk driver went out with the intention of getting drunk. I wonder how many also said "I can handle it".

You chose to drink and carry, I chose to to stay away from people that make that decision. Best case scenario your decisions only screw up your own life.

Aha!!!!! The very FIRST post after mine has already proven I was right... thank you for showing YOUR fearfulness of someone elses decision, THAT is what is called projection kiddo............ and you just stepped in it up to your neck.........

I actually CAN be trusted to drink and have a firearm on me, your not believing that, or cowering in fear because of it does not make it untrue.......

 

[NavyLCDR]

The problem seems to be the self righteous people that care about their beer more than other people safety. I'm sure every drunk driver went out with the intention of getting drunk. I wonder how many also said "I can handle it".

You chose to drink and carry, I chose to to stay away from people that make that decision. Best case scenario your decisions only screw up your own life.

If we apply your standards concerning carrying a firearm for self protection and drinking to drinking and driving, then you should be concerned about every person who drinks with car keys in their pockets. What percentage of those people who drink can safely do so with car keys in their pocket without danger of driving drunk? Now, what if there as emergency and one of those people drinking must drive someone somewhere in a life threatening situation?

There is no difference in that than carrying a firearm. There is no more danger to you due to the presence of the firearm than due to the presence of car keys. The vast majority of people who can carry a gun all day long and not play with it are not going to suddenly acquire an overwhelming urge to play with it after a couple beers. Actually, there's much, much less chance of the gun coming out of the holster than someone driving drunk because it doesn't cause inconvenience to going home after drinking if the gun remains in the holster.

 

[B2Tall]

The problem seems to be the self righteous people that care about their beer more than other people safety. I'm sure every drunk driver went out with the intention of getting drunk. I wonder how many also said "I can handle it".

You chose to drink and carry, I chose to to stay away from people that make that decision. Best case scenario your decisions only screw up your own life.

"self righteous"

Boy you hit the nail on the head with that one. There are all sorts of "self"s on this site - self righteous, self important, self appointed, etc. etc.

As a longtime member of the alcohol-peddling industry I can tell you firsthand that every bar, every day, has the "I can handle it" crew and the "I'm not drunk" bunch as well as the "I know my limitations" folks. Funny thing is that 99% of the time they're wrong but you can't tell them that. Nor can you tell anything of the sort to the self righteous, important, and appointed on this site. They're always right and anyone who differs slightly from their (in their own minds) infallible testimony is simply wrong. Get used to it.

 

[Providence Ranch]

Again, though, let's talk about defensibility in court. If you are involved in an accident and upon being questioned by an officer he detects alcohol on your breath, do you think that's going in his report? You bet it is. Do you think it'll go on your record and affect your insurance? Smart money says yes.

Drinking while carrying is the same thing. Even though you may not in reality be impaired, your battle to maintain credibility in the aftermath will be all uphill.

 

[Axeanda45]

Again, though, let's talk about defensibility in court. If you are involved in an accident and upon being questioned by an officer he detects alcohol on your breath, do you think that's going in his report? You bet it is. Do you think it'll go on your record and affect your insurance? Smart money says yes.

Drinking while carrying is the same thing. Even though you may not in reality be impaired, your battle to maintain credibility in the aftermath will be all uphill.

Stop with YOUR FEARS of the courts already........ Life is worth 1000's of times more than what the jury might believe about you..... Why are you so afraid of what others think?

 

[Deserteagle]

Stop with YOUR FEARS of the courts already........ Life is worth 1000's of times more than what the jury might believe about you..... Why are you so afraid of what others think?

I dont think his concern with following the law is a fear any more than your carrying a firearm for protection is a fear of others hurting you. Whether we like it or not, if we are involved in a self defense shooting, what the jury thinks of you is everything, assuming your life means everything to you. The jury's decision can lead to your death and your family left without a member.

 

[Firefighterchen]

I dont think his concern with following the law is a fear any more than your carrying a firearm for protection is a fear of others hurting you.

I fear LEO's more than I fear others hurting me.

 

[Providence Ranch]

Stop with YOUR FEARS of the courts already........ Life is worth 1000's of times more than what the jury might believe about you..... Why are you so afraid of what others think?

I do fear the courts. And you should as well. Because they are more likely to be filled with those who know nothing of second amendment rights or gun ownership than with those who will be like-minded as us. And they will be the ones deciding your fate, whether you were technically right or not. Why would you choose NOT to consider their potential reaction to factors you can control today, when there are so many factors you will not be able to control on the day you are forced to shoot?

Life is the most valuable thing, you're right. But unless the jury is sympathetic toward you, yours will be over. Period.

 

[Providence Ranch]

I dont think his concern with following the law is a fear any more than your carrying a firearm for protection is a fear of others hurting you.

I fear LEO's more than I fear others hurting me.

My God, you have a lot to learn.

 

[Firefighterchen]

My God, you have a lot to learn.

I've learned quite enough throughout my life. From personal experience, family's experience, and an Uncle who is in LAPD. LEO's have a long road ahead of them in EARNING their trust and respect again.

 

[jitdc]

seriously !?!

I have to take strong objection to carrying a firearm and drinking whether it be in public or private. Carrying a handgun is a serious decision drinking at the same time shows lack of respect for our right to carry. This is no longer the "wild west" and we don't carry iron on our hip into the saloon.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I have to take strong objection to carrying a firearm and drinking whether it be in public or private. Carrying a handgun is a serious decision drinking at the same time shows lack of respect for our right to carry. This is no longer the "wild west" and we don't carry iron on our hip into the saloon.

You are quite right. This is no longer the "wild west". The "wild west" was a much safer time because everybody DID carry iron on their hip into the saloons.

Can I ask where exactly are the examples of blood running in the streets caused by people responsibly drinking alcohol while lawfully carrying a gun?

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it is obvious that the U.S. Homicide Rates were quite low but with a slow rising trend until New England area gun laws triggered a sharp rise in homicide rates? Why?

In two words, labor problems. Widespread strikes, employer lockouts, the murders of non-union workers, and other forms of labor violence increased during that period, and caused a slow rise in the number of violent deaths.

It is well worth noting that in an age when anyone with two dollars could buy a “U.S. Revolver” .38 in any hardware store in the US the homicide rate was almost negligible. As soon as local ordinances kept people from carrying, the violent crime rates went through the roof.

Obviously, there is nothing as effective as the possibility of prompt and effective self defense to keep things to a words only level.

“Why Did The Homicide Rate Rise In the 1890′s” | Extrano's Alley, a gun blog

 

[grmerrill]

Aha!!!!! The very FIRST post after mine has already proven I was right... thank you for showing YOUR fearfulness of someone elses decision, THAT is what is called projection kiddo............ and you just stepped in it up to your neck.........

I actually CAN be trusted to drink and have a firearm on me, your not believing that, or cowering in fear because of it does not make it untrue.......

You say I am afraid, I say you aren't as smart as you think you are. So again, try to only screw up your own life.

Actually, there's much, much less chance of the gun coming out of the holster than someone driving drunk because it doesn't cause inconvenience to going home after drinking if the gun remains in the holster.

Trying to use drunk driving as a defense to carry while drinking. Wow. Yes I am also concerned with people that believe they can drink and drive. One doesn't justify the other.

The vast majority of people who can carry a gun all day long and not play with it are not going to suddenly acquire an overwhelming urge to play with it after a couple beers.

I bet the percentage of people that aren't under the influence that don't aquire the urge to play with their gun is even greater. But I don't have a source to prove what I said, how are you justifying yours.

Is your gun ornamental or would you use it if you had to? I guarantee that finding a shooting justified after 2 beers is going to be more difficult that after no beers. Worst part is that you and Aneanda45 are on the record as saying "I can handle it". If something does go south it can be used against you. The internet lives forever.

 

[Gaby89]

I want to move to Washington! much more relaxed it seems!