NFTATraining
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Surprise is a tactic. Thats why swat teams break down doors and not knock on them. The end.
Open Carry A Good Idea Or Bad?
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That would be an offensive tactic not defensive.
I agree there are situations I deem CC is more appropriate, I do however OC often as it is more comfortable. I also try to put forth a positive image when I OC, I am middle aged, clean shaven, middle management and attire is accordingly, I have five children two grown and three young ones that are with me more often than not. I am neither a proponent for or against either form of carry as it is up to the individual, I support those rights whole heartedly.
I agree there are situations I deem CC is more appropriate, I do however OC often as it is more comfortable. I also try to put forth a positive image when I OC, I am middle aged, clean shaven, middle management and attire is accordingly, I have five children two grown and three young ones that are with me more often than not. I am neither a proponent for or against either form of carry as it is up to the individual, I support those rights whole heartedly.
robert graham
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if someone surprises me from behind and takes my oc glock from my holster,what do i do then,shoot him (sorry) with my bug?i would not like to oc.
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JSDinTexas
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There are holsters that you must push a button to extract the gun, some are with the thumb and so on. LEOs use them for the contingency you mention. I have a Kydex OWB with a button for my G23 when on my property.
But my answer to the thread is no, I carry concealed to avoid any problems, but would like to have the option. TX almost passed an OC bill this year but it didn't get out of committee so didn't get voted on.
robert graham
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i agree jsd we should have the option if it is a consitutional right .i would actually feel warm and fuzzy seeing other people oc,safer as well.but i do not even like my firearm printing oc is not for me.thats just me .my son who did two tours and is now in virginya(?) says oc only in his state.really hates it
rudiepop
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Anybody who thinks that having ANY kind of concealed weapon is not a tactical advantage is completely IGNORANT of tactics.
Furthermore, that is NOT the ONLY tactical advantage of carrying concealed.
I am not going to get into another pissing contest about CC and OC, I like having the option of both. I CC most of the time and my best friend OC's so this topic is old to me and I say carry how you are comfy.
If you combine situational awareness with Concealed Carry or OC you are way ahead of the curve and will likely be able to avoid most conflicts. MOST being the operative word here. I don't care how sharp you are you can be distracted, tired, looking the other way and have a weapon pulled on you. In that instance CC would be a HUGE advantage. Not only the element of surprise but the ability to plan, distract, possibly move to a better shooting position, move away from loved ones to draw fire away from them, put yourself in front of loved ones, the possibilities are endless. If YOU are surprised and the attacker notices that YOU are armed then HE has the tactical advantage and you could be disarmed or shot.
I agree with the all the good points about OC and they are valid points and should be considered when making a choice how to carry.
Carry how you want to and comfortable with your choice but don't bring that crap about no tactical advantage of having a concealed weapon. That speaks of nothing but ignorance on the topic.
Furthermore, that is NOT the ONLY tactical advantage of carrying concealed.
I am not going to get into another pissing contest about CC and OC, I like having the option of both. I CC most of the time and my best friend OC's so this topic is old to me and I say carry how you are comfy.
If you combine situational awareness with Concealed Carry or OC you are way ahead of the curve and will likely be able to avoid most conflicts. MOST being the operative word here. I don't care how sharp you are you can be distracted, tired, looking the other way and have a weapon pulled on you. In that instance CC would be a HUGE advantage. Not only the element of surprise but the ability to plan, distract, possibly move to a better shooting position, move away from loved ones to draw fire away from them, put yourself in front of loved ones, the possibilities are endless. If YOU are surprised and the attacker notices that YOU are armed then HE has the tactical advantage and you could be disarmed or shot.
I agree with the all the good points about OC and they are valid points and should be considered when making a choice how to carry.
Carry how you want to and comfortable with your choice but don't bring that crap about no tactical advantage of having a concealed weapon. That speaks of nothing but ignorance on the topic.
BC1
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And you base your statement on what education? If you've been trained in advanced defensive tactics by any reputable academy you wouldn't make this statement. It's so rediculous to argue that I won't respond further. you can have the last word.
BC1
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Much of my advanced tactical training used the element of surprise. I was trained to place the attacker behind the reactionary curve. Breaking the OODA loop is surprise through disruption. It is a key element of indiviual self defense. This was also hammered into my head by my father, a graduate of the United States Naval Academy and decorated Naval Officer through two wars. He was a great tactician who taught me the importance of surprise in individual conflict.
Navy, I respond to OC threads just to rile you up. :biggrin: BTW, congrats on the promotion.
NFTATraining
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It was just being said that "surprise" was NOT a tactic. It is. Wether it be for the offensive or not. If people are saying that the element of surprise is NOT a tactic, then I fear for their students or anyone else they teach firearms too.
Axeanda45
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Next time re-read posts BEFORE responding to them.... it was said that it is not a DEFENSIVE tactic.....
rudiepop
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It IS a defensive or offensive tactic Period! Defensive action at its best is often offensive by nature. A counter attack is STILL an attack.
Axeanda45
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*SIGH*
Guess I'm gonna have to REALLY dumb it down for this so-called professional who doesnt know offense from defense..... All of you would do well to make a note of his name and location, and make sure to steer away from him if you ever decide to take any courses.....
Here you go little rudie........ you are walking down the street with your CONCEALED weapon (knife/firearm/etc.....) and someone attacks you.... what do you do? well, if you pull out that weapon... you have gone on the OFFENSE!
Now, if you would have just , say, blocked a fist coming towards your face with a martial arts type move, you would have been on the DEFENSE.
But once you pull out a weapon, you are now on the offense, no other way it could be.... Unless you think shooting his fist coming towards you is blocking it......
Guess I'm gonna have to REALLY dumb it down for this so-called professional who doesnt know offense from defense..... All of you would do well to make a note of his name and location, and make sure to steer away from him if you ever decide to take any courses.....
Here you go little rudie........ you are walking down the street with your CONCEALED weapon (knife/firearm/etc.....) and someone attacks you.... what do you do? well, if you pull out that weapon... you have gone on the OFFENSE!
Now, if you would have just , say, blocked a fist coming towards your face with a martial arts type move, you would have been on the DEFENSE.
But once you pull out a weapon, you are now on the offense, no other way it could be.... Unless you think shooting his fist coming towards you is blocking it......
I love this. The bad guy has a gun pointed at you, his finger on the trigger. And yet you have the "tactical advantage" because you have a hidden gun? That's just impossible for me to grasp.
Thank you. Any military tactician will tell you that it is better to deter the attack to begin with than to be required to defend against it. Even in the most successful defense against an attack, there is loss on the part of the defending party. If the attack is deterred, the only cost is the show of force which caused the deterrence to be effective. However, even then, those assets required for the effective deterrence still remain in the possession of the defender.
NFTATraining
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Not exactly the scenario I had visioned for that statement. I never said it was good for every situation.
rudiepop
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Your condescending remarks only prove what everyone else on this forum already knows. I will let you ponder what that means.
“Dumb it down?” LMAO!
You can’t go any further down than where you are pal.
Lets see if you can answer this “Einstien”:
Two people are in a gunfight and both are shooting at each other. Which one is on offense and which is on defense?
There is only one answer, lets see if you have the stones to try and answer it.
“Dumb it down?” LMAO!
You can’t go any further down than where you are pal.
Lets see if you can answer this “Einstien”:
Two people are in a gunfight and both are shooting at each other. Which one is on offense and which is on defense?
There is only one answer, lets see if you have the stones to try and answer it.
rudiepop
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I did not say you had THE tactical advantage. I said "CC would be a HUGE advantage." as opposed to OC where the BG may see your weapon. You have an advantage of being able to pick your time to act, or not to act, create a distraction, before you act, and a ton of other choices. that is A tactical advantage.
I think some of you just like to argue for the hell of it.
Axeanda45
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So, I gave you something you have no answer for, and you come back and show your liberal side and just attack the messenger instead of answering the question....
Actually, you are right about one single thing on this whole thread... i was condescending..... Forgive me for not being tolerant of falsehoods/rumors and idiots who are absolutely dead set on parroting them.... On everything else, however... you are still wrong.
As far as your "OH SO HARD QUESTION" that you dont think I have the "stones" (or brains) to answer... Here you go dimwitt..... They are BOTH on the offensive... wow, that was SOOOOOOO hard to answer... let me check a sec.... Hmmmmm, my "stones" are still the same size as they have been for the last 35 yrs or so.......(since I got past puberty)
I know from reading your posts that you do not believe that my answer is even a possibility, because your training says that one has to be on defense, and one on offense.... and that is where you are wrong in your entire thinking....
Axeanda45
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Actually, we just dont tolerate improper/wrong tactics/advice to be put out without showing it as such.... Some people dont have the means/chance to get training, and forums like this is all they have, And if we let people like you go without setting things straight, they could be led astray.... (which in some of these discussions, could get them killed if they take the wrong advice)
When some (like you) who think they know it all, just because it is what they have been taught (even though what they have been taught is wrong) keep trying to defend that which is incorrect, DO NOT EXPECT US TO KEEP QUIET ABOUT IT and let you get away with it. Those like you remind me of those "professors" in the liberal colleges/universities that are leading all of our young people astray..... How does that saying go?.... something like ..... those that can, do, those that cant, teach........
Axeanda45
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Wow, I never knew that I had a tactical advantage with a hidden gun under my shirt when there was a gun in my face with a bad guys finger on the trigger... Must be like having a unicorn in the closet or something......
