Flip 'Em The Bird And Die Like A Viking

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Flip 'Em The Bird And Die Like A Viking

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I occasionally get taken to task over my sig line, usually by someone who doesn’t understand it or thinks it's a “random tough guy quote” or that I’m looking to piss off road ragers.

It actually came from the above article it was also the last post I ever made on the OLD THR (ironic huh?)

Anyway the linked article here is where the line came from. I don’t want to get too much into it because the author (Gabe Suarez) is far more articulate than I am. I’ll just say that in my mind there is absolutely no good reason for me to comply w/ the commands of the felon. In the scenario posited in the article, win lose or draw my wallet never would have come out of my pocket because I would have gone straight for my gun. (I’m not trying to be a bad ass I know me).

So, here’s the article give it some thought.

FWIW here's the .org thread Link Removed
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Hmmmm, road ragers. As I got older my driving slowed down. I have kids in baby seats flippin me the bird. :biggrin:

 

[Hamilton Felix]

In general, compliance with a criminal attacker does not increase one's chances of survival.

But there are many variables. Folks here don't want to be heroes; we understand that in real life most heroes end up dead. But we also understand we may find ourselves in bad situations. Never give up.

According to Star Trek, the Kobayashi Maru exercise was to teach the lesson that a Captain may face a no-win situation. Midshipman James T. Kirk cheated and "survived." We've all heard the saying "if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying hard enough."

In real life, it's a fact that John Wesley Hardin "beat the drop" before multiple witnesses. Not a situation any of us would ever want to face, but in this documented case, one man's refusal to give up, and his phenomenal skill, meant he walked away alive from a "no-win" scenario.

Two assailants and one victim/defender means the odds are not good.
Comply, and there's a good chance today's street savages will kill you.
Shoot back and you may or may not be shot.
If you are shot, you may or may not die.
In general, I'd say your odds are better than with compliance.
But that's me... And every situation is different.

I'm going to keep working on situational awareness, and try not to end up in this situation. Just the fact I'm almost always with my Beloved Kathleen (who is armed and has survived a lethal confrontation) helps me avoid that two on one scenario... :wink:

 

[BlackieChan]

Usually, when I am armed it is to protect my fiancee. I couldn't give a robber full control of a situation with good faith. There is too much to lose. I'm not talking about my life but her's. If I was covered with a gun and with my fiancee I would immediately move her behind me and look for an opportunity to distract the criminal so that I could draw and fire.

This opportunity might not present itself though. Maybe we get mugged, maybe I die, maybe she dies, etc. There is no perfect situation.

The reason I have my CCW, Glock and training is to kill bad guys that threaten my loved ones, the helpless or myself mortally.

 

[Treo]

Usually, when I am armed it is to protect my fiancee.

Either always carry or never carry

I couldn't give a robber full control of a situation with good faith. There is too much to lose. I'm not talking about my life but her's. If I was covered with a gun and with my fiancee I would immediately move her behind me and look for an opportunity to distract the criminal so that I could draw and fire.

This opportunity might not present itself though. Maybe we get mugged, maybe I die, maybe she dies, etc. There is no perfect situation.

Can't argue that

The reason I have my CCW, Glock and training is to kill bad guys that threaten my loved ones, the helpless or myself mortally.

We carry again to protect ourselves and we shoot to stop the threat not to kill

 

[B2Tall]

Comply, and there's a good chance today's street savages will kill you.

Really? Based on what??

400,000 robberies with a firearm. 2,000 dead victims. That's 1/2 of 1% of the robberies resulting in a killing. You consider that a "good chance"??

 

[BlackieChan]

Either always carry or never carry

I just can't be puritanical and exact in all areas of life.

I am not allowed to carry in a number of places I go. I don't always observe the rules but one place I do is on military bases.

I am not going to bend this rule.

"Always carry" isn't a real option if I am going to conduct life normally.

 

[Treo]

I am not allowed to carry in a number of places I go. I don't always observe the rules but one place I do is on military bases.

I am not going to bend this rule.

Spot on baby I had a friend that got caught bringing a gun to Ft. Carson one morning her career ended then and there.

That said if you can you should

 

[Punch]

Really? Based on what??

400,000 robberies with a firearm. 2,000 dead victims. That's 1/2 of 1% of the robberies resulting in a killing. You consider that a "good chance"??

This is meaningless if you are one of the 1/2 of one percent. If you really believe this crap, why don't you turn in your CCW and sit in a corner and wet yourself. Col. Cooper (God rest his soul!) would have little respect for you. It is our duty to resist. There is another statistic that you fail to mention; how many robberies are stopped by a person who resists. I can tell you that in the four times that I needed to use my weapon, the situation resolved itself immediately upon the actor discovering that I was armed. That is a 100% success rate. I never informed the uniformed criminals (known by some as the police) about these events since three of the events occurred in the Peoples Republic of Illinois where I was a criminal for carrying a weapon. I wonder how many of the successes never get reported to the FBI, making the statistics somewhat unreliable.

 

[nogods]

This is meaningless if you are one of the 1/2 of one percent. If you really believe this crap, why don't you turn in your CCW and sit in a corner and wet yourself. Col. Cooper (God rest his soul!) would have little respect for you. It is our duty to resist. There is another statistic that you fail to mention; how many robberies are stopped by a person who resists. I can tell you that in the four times that I needed to use my weapon, the situation resolved itself immediately upon the actor discovering that I was armed. That is a 100% success rate. I never informed the uniformed criminals (known by some as the police) about these events since three of the events occurred in the Peoples Republic of Illinois where I was a criminal for carrying a weapon. I wonder how many of the successes never get reported to the FBI, making the statistics somewhat unreliable.

You are twice as likely (1%) to be gay. what have you done to guard against that?:yu:

 

[tcox4freedom]

You are twice as likely (1%) to be gay. what have you done to guard against that?:yu:

You just made me LOL!

 

[Aresye]

This is meaningless if you are one of the 1/2 of one percent. If you really believe this crap, why don't you turn in your CCW and sit in a corner and wet yourself. Col. Cooper (God rest his soul!) would have little respect for you. It is our duty to resist. There is another statistic that you fail to mention; how many robberies are stopped by a person who resists. I can tell you that in the four times that I needed to use my weapon, the situation resolved itself immediately upon the actor discovering that I was armed. That is a 100% success rate. I never informed the uniformed criminals (known by some as the police) about these events since three of the events occurred in the Peoples Republic of Illinois where I was a criminal for carrying a weapon. I wonder how many of the successes never get reported to the FBI, making the statistics somewhat unreliable.

So not only do you advise drawing a gun in a situation that (according to statistics) will most likely end right then and there with you walking home to cancel your credit cards, but you also suggest outright disobeying the law?

I took a long break from these forums because of the whole sheepdog argument, but despite my own feelings of protecting myself and others, I'm still going to obey the law, and I'm not going to risk getting shot over some credit cards. If anything, my military ID and classified courier card gives me more of a reason to draw compared to somebody losing only their driver's license and credit cards, but as long as you don't escalate the situation through body language and what you say, there's a very, very high chance of walking home that night. Drawing in that kind of situation where the BG has the drop on you is a surefire way to get killed if you underestimated their reaction time and/or training. Not worth the risk IMHO.

You've had to draw your weapon 4 times? You have to break the law in order to carry? Sounds like somebody needs to move.

I also can't carry on base. I may not like it, but that's the law, and what do we do about laws we don't like? We fight to get them changed, and observe the law until they are.

 

[Deanimator]

Feel free to assume whatever you want. I'm going to assume that if they wanted to shoot me, they'd just do it outright and not bother with the demands. According to the FBI stats I'd be correct about 99%+ of the time and I'd be on my way home.....a little light in the wallet maybe, but in one peice.

I do not and never will have ANY plan contingent upon the good judgment, intelligence and basic human decency of an armed robber.

You're free to do so if you like.

My advice to you is to NEVER carry. That way a violent criminal will not end up with your wallet, your life AND your firearm.

 

[B2Tall]

I do not and never will have ANY plan contingent upon the good judgment, intelligence and basic human decency of an armed robber.

You're free to do so if you like.

My advice to you is to NEVER carry. That way a violent criminal will not end up with your wallet, your life AND your firearm.

Tell us, Rambo......how many BGs have you put 6 feet under?? A tough guy like you has probably planted a couple of dozen, right??

I've read enough of your posts to know that I won't be listening to your advice any time soon.

 

[B2Tall]

So not only do you advise drawing a gun in a situation that (according to statistics) will most likely end right then and there with you walking home to cancel your credit cards, but you also suggest outright disobeying the law?

I took a long break from these forums because of the whole sheepdog argument, but despite my own feelings of protecting myself and others, I'm still going to obey the law, and I'm not going to risk getting shot over some credit cards. If anything, my military ID and classified courier card gives me more of a reason to draw compared to somebody losing only their driver's license and credit cards, but as long as you don't escalate the situation through body language and what you say, there's a very, very high chance of walking home that night. Drawing in that kind of situation where the BG has the drop on you is a surefire way to get killed if you underestimated their reaction time and/or training. Not worth the risk IMHO.

You've had to draw your weapon 4 times? You have to break the law in order to carry? Sounds like somebody needs to move.

I also can't carry on base. I may not like it, but that's the law, and what do we do about laws we don't like? We fight to get them changed, and observe the law until they are.

I've come to the conclusion that there are about a dozen or so people on these boards who come here to live out their tough-guy fantasies. Keyboard ninjas they've been called and I think that sums it up. Maybe they get bullied one way or the other at work or at home, or maybe they're just overcompensating for some other inadequecies, or maybe it's just good 'ol fashioned displaced anger. In any case they can't be reasoned with and just make the vast majority of gun owners look bad.

 

[Deanimator]

Tell us, Rambo......how many BGs have you put 6 feet under?? A tough guy like you has probably planted a couple of dozen, right??

I've read enough of your posts to know that I won't be listening to your advice any time soon.

Ad hominems are no substitute for facts and reason.

 

[Deanimator]

I've come to the conclusion that there are about a dozen or so people on these boards who come here to live out their tough-guy fantasies.

I've come to the conclusion that there are tiny handful of AHSA types on these boards, engaged in a false flag operation to gull the ignorant and subvert our fundamental rights of firearms ownership and self-defense.

 

[B2Tall]

Ad hominems are no substitute for facts and reason.

Find the person you asked how to correctly spell "Ad hominems" and ask them what it means and how to use it properly. And then go out and waste some more bad guys. We need you out there.

 

[B2Tall]

I've come to the conclusion that there are tiny handful of AHSA types on these boards, engaged in a false flag operation to gull the ignorant and subvert our fundamental rights of firearms ownership and self-defense.

I've come to the conclusion that there are a bunch of Brady-Bunchers on this board pretending to be mindless "Any Weapon, Any Time, Anywhere" pro-gun lunatics spouting all sorts of ridiculous statements in an effort to make the rest of us look bad.

Is that you, Ms. Feinstein???

 

[Treo]

I've come to the conclusion that there are a bunch of Brady-Bunchers on this board pretending to be mindless "Any Weapon, Any Time, Anywhere" pro-gun lunatics spouting all sorts of ridiculous statements in an effort to make the rest of us look bad.

Is that you, Ms. Feinstein???

And then there are those, like you , who openly advocate Brady positions

Is that you Mr. Helmke???

 

[Deanimator]

I've come to the conclusion that there are a bunch of Brady-Bunchers on this board pretending to be mindless "Any Weapon, Any Time, Anywhere" pro-gun lunatics spouting all sorts of ridiculous statements in an effort to make the rest of us look bad.

Is that you, Ms. Feinstein???

The AHSA thing NEVER sells.