Do You Support Nation Wide Constitutional Carry?

Do you support nation wide permitless carry?

  • Yes

    Votes: 160 79.2%
  • No

    Votes: 42 20.8%

  • Total voters
    202
  • Poll closed .
I voted no. I don't agree with permitless carry. I think with the way things are you should have to go through some kind of back ground check. There are just too many crazy people walking around to give everyone free reign to carry a gun. I put a lot of time, training, and money into getting my state permit and then followed with permits from PA and FL.
Why do you think that fed.state.local.gov is better qualified to determine who should carry a sidearm that the average citizen is?

Vermont and Alaska have had constitutional carry for ages now and many states allow unpermitted open carry. Please cite some facts and statistics concerning the violent crime being perpetrated by all those "crazy people walking around to give everyone free reign to carry a gun" in those states. It should be real easy to do, unless... Well, you know.
 
There are just too many crazy people walking around to give everyone free reign to carry a gun.

I am just curious as to this line of thinking. How is requiring law abiding citizens to obtain a permit going to stop the crazy people from committing criminal acts with guns? I am being serious, I would really like to know?

I am still being serious... does it really work like this?:

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I voted no. I don't agree with permitless carry. I think with the way things are you should have to go through some kind of back ground check. There are just too many crazy people walking around to give everyone free reign to carry a gun. I put a lot of time, training, and money into getting my state permit and then followed with permits from PA and FL.

What makes you think a law against carrying a gun is going to stop them?
 
NavyLT - I so wanted to post that comic when I saw it... a picture is truly worth a thousand words (and more)...

As so many have said, why would a criminal, who has no qualms regarding murder, rape and/or robbery, suddenly become "gun shy" just because of a permit requirement, or a "no guns" sign? New laws, and even the existing ones, won't and don't work, and that has been proven...

So I say, let everyone be able to defend themselves, and be responsible for themselves. It's our natural right, after all...
 
Right on, Daven

I was a deputy sheriff in Arizona, and at that time, only police or military could carry concealed. I left for a few years, and when I returned, the CCW law had been passed, and i got mine right away. Now that you have the Constitutional Carry, I salute you. I would like to see this extended to all the states, and doing away with gun-free zones as future venues for active shooters. Arizona is the greatest in this respect.
 
Very good question. We have the constitutional right to bear arms but there are citizens who are not stable and should not carry. We need minimal ( and i do mean minimal) standards applied to the carry issue. The problem becomes when the government gets involved they usually (always) screw things up!!!!
 
Very good question. We have the constitutional right to bear arms but there are citizens who are not stable and should not carry. We need minimal ( and i do mean minimal) standards applied to the carry issue. The problem becomes when the government gets involved they usually (always) screw things up!!!!

It's still illegal for a criminal to carry a gun in every state that has permitless carry
 
It's still illegal for a criminal to carry a gun in every state that has permitless carry
And as one of the intelligent thinkers on this forum, you well know it doesn't stop them from carrying because after all, they are criminals.

I'll never understand why so many people who claim to be pro-2A still insist that the government needs to get involved with who should be allowed to carry and where they can or think it's a good idea to beg the government for permission and then pay a tax to exercise a Constitutional right. This only affects law abiding citizens.

Criminals already carry wherever and whenever they want. Someone* please explain to me how changing to nationwide Constitutional carry would change that?


* By "someone" I mean one of the "their oughta/gotta be a law" crowd.

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It would be sweet !!!!

I live in N.H. and over course I have a CC for 30 yrs. Plus ! Well there was a Bill that came up a time ago and the Gov. Lynch passed it . It was to raise the out of state permit from $10.00 to $100.00 . Well I wrote Gov. Lynch and told him that I don't think it to be right to raise the rate to cover HIS exstravagent spending ! Well I got a letter back from HIM saying that he apprecate my opinion ,BUT we are going to do what we are going to do !! How is that for a ASS , and no I didn't and will never vote for him ! So to me that is what is out there and yes to the nation wide CC !
 
You all make very good points. But do we really want just anyone carrying heat? REALLY?
What part of this don't you comprehend? The people that you're worried about being able to "carry heat" already are. They're criminals and don't care about or adhere to the law.

The only thing your precious permit (government permission slip) does is put a burden on law abiding citizens. It has no negative effect on the bad guys.
 
pilot in wyoming

WOW! I have really stirred the pot! I am just trying to get some pros and cons on this topic. I do carry and believe anyone that wants to carry and KNOWS how and WHEN to use their weapon should and be allowed to do so! I DO not want the Gov. to stick their nose in my business either. I will not argue the point.
 
The pot has been stirring for 18 pages. I wanted to read all of the comments, so here I am a good hour later. My answer to the survey question is yes. But getting this question to "where the rubber meets the road," is another matter. There are so many issues to keep in account for a yes answer to become reality.

For starters, it's a trap to say that any restrictions are anti-second amendment. Yes, the world is full of slippery slopes, but to set up an arguement where every other system in the country must be subserviant to an unrestricted second amendment (though even that definition has varied over the 18 pages!) is unrealistic, if not impossible. Some of the posts, including a few by midnight I recall, take greater effort at capturing the original purpose of the second amendment, and then applying it further.

Should some of these other systems change in a way that respects a less restricted second amendment? Yes. Will they? Doubtful. Doing this state by state seems to be the most effective way at this time. Another poster made good mention of how things, which now result in greater resrictions on guns and gun rights, were dealt with differently in and around the 18th and 19th century. I believe this to be true. Regulation is a double edged sword, but to make the statement that it should not apply to one thing, but apply to others creates problems.
 
It is the Endgame

I support permits/licenses for CC as a means to get to constitutional carry (like things were in 1790). They are a means to an end. It will take a while, but we will get there.


Remember the long road from Plessy v Ferguson to Brown v Board of Education, and what needed to be done after that. We have an advantage over that march, given that the vast majority of Americans see the keeping and bearing of arms as an individual, fundimental right now.

We will get there, even if some us older geezers might not see it come.
 
WOW! I have really stirred the pot! I am just trying to get some pros and cons on this topic. I do carry and believe anyone that wants to carry and KNOWS how and WHEN to use their weapon should and be allowed to do so! I DO not want the Gov. to stick their nose in my business either. I will not argue the point.

I don't think that is the point of these 18 pages of arguments at all and is going totally against Constitutional Carry. The point of Constitutional Carry is that it does not matter if youu know how, when, why, or anything else to carry. If you put stipulations on carry such as what you stated then you are regressing in most states.
 
I would not want to be around a bunch of people carrying guns without some training. Guns are dangerous enough in hands of experienced carriers.
Once shown to be proficient in the operation and safety of a handgun grant them permission to carry wherever they want to.
 
I would not want to be around a bunch of people carrying guns without some training. Guns are dangerous enough in hands of experienced carriers.

Why isn't it a problem, then, in the 27+ states that allow permit-less carry now? People's gun are not going around shooting innocent people in those states any more than the states that require permits to carry.

We, on the side for Constitutional Carry, would simply like to see some facts that indicate that Constitutional Carry is more dangerous than training-required permitted carry. To date, nobody has been able to produce any facts that would indicate a basis in reality for such a claim.
 

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