Inform the officer or not when concealed carry?

[softbaitmaker]

I have my drivers license and CCP together in my bilfold and when I pull one I pull both and when I hand one I hand both. No surprises no faults. No sense in handing one and then have them come back to the car and have to ask for the second one once they run your records. Save them the trouble and show them you have nothing to hide. Common courtesy.

 

[Lucenut]

2nd Amendment

I certainly never volunteer any information that isn't relevant to the situation. A simple traffic stop has nothing to do with me being armed or not.

I read a lot of this thread and am very discouraged. I expected the folks here to be the citizens that are going to HELP defend our rights, especially 2A. Some of you even quote things from the constitution and bill of rights. But I am appalled by the willingness to surrender rights that some of you don't even know you have or certainly don't understand!

I understand those of you that are former LEOs because I haven't yet found a LEO that thoroughly understands our constitutional rights. LEOs don't deserve any more "respect" as you all put it than the grocery checker or the garbage man.

Again, I am just discouraged with the responses here.

 

[DMH102010]

The MRS.

My husband and I acquired our CCW permits via Frontsight in NV, so it's effective in 30 states. We live in DE and are pursuing our DE CCW licenses, but are wondering if anyone knows what the laws are here as to "declaring" to an LEO that we have a permit and are carrying?
Having several relatives as LEO's in other states, I would consider their safety and let the LEO know "IF" he/she should require that I get out of the vehicle, but probably not until then. They could tell by my plate without checking it out before hand anyway as it's an NRA specialty license!

 

[mrjam2jab]

My husband and I acquired our CCW permits via Frontsight in NV, so it's effective in 30 states. We live in DE and are pursuing our DE CCW licenses, but are wondering if anyone knows what the laws are here as to "declaring" to an LEO that we have a permit and are carrying?
Having several relatives as LEO's in other states, I would consider their safety and let the LEO know "IF" he/she should require that I get out of the vehicle, but probably not until then. They could tell by my plate without checking it out before hand anyway as it's an NRA specialty license!

So you have a NV permit? You do realize as a DE resident it does you no good in DE, right?

DE is not a must inform state.

 

[Pat H.]

I've not waded through this entire thread, so this may have been stated already.

In South Carolina, as a condition to obtain the CWP you agree to offer the information to any police officer that you're involved with in a traffic stop situation. There's no other time in which that is required.

I suspect that the purpose is to prevent a trigger happy cop from killing you. Cops are not authorized to "secure your weapon" upon receipt of the information, so if you're not engaged in another prohibited activity, you're unlikely to be accosted here.

 

[hp-hobo]

I've not waded through this entire thread, so this may have been stated already.

In South Carolina, as a condition to obtain the CWP you agree to offer the information to any police officer that you're involved with in a traffic stop situation. There's no other time in which that is required.

I suspect that the purpose is to prevent a trigger happy cop from killing you. Cops are not authorized to "secure your weapon" upon receipt of the information, so if you're not engaged in another prohibited activity, you're unlikely to be accosted here.

Perhaps you should have waded through the thread. If you had, you'd know it was not only covered, but that your (bolded) statement is incorrect.

23-31-215 (K) very specifically states;

A permit holder must have his permit identification card in his possession whenever he carries a concealable weapon. When carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to Article 4 of Chapter 31 of Title 23, a permit holder must inform a law enforcement officer of the fact that he is a permit holder and present the permit identification card when an officer (1) identifies himself as a law enforcement officer and (2) requests identification or a driver's license from a permit holder. A permit holder immediately must report the loss or theft of a permit identification card to SLED headquarters. A person who violates the provisions of this subsection is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined twenty-five dollars.

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It says nothing about a traffic stop. It says nothing about "no other time". If you are a CWP holder, perhaps it's time for you to familiarize yourself with the law.

 

[Pat H.]

Perhaps you should have waded through the thread. If you had, you'd know it was not only covered, but that your (bolded) statement is incorrect.

23-31-215 (K) very specifically states;

A permit holder must have his permit identification card in his possession whenever he carries a concealable weapon. When carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to Article 4 of Chapter 31 of Title 23, a permit holder must inform a law enforcement officer of the fact that he is a permit holder and present the permit identification card when an officer (1) identifies himself as a law enforcement officer and (2) requests identification or a driver's license from a permit holder. A permit holder immediately must report the loss or theft of a permit identification card to SLED headquarters. A person who violates the provisions of this subsection is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined twenty-five dollars.

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It says nothing about a traffic stop. It says nothing about "no other time". If you are a CWP holder, perhaps it's time for you to familiarize yourself with the law.

I'm not interested in a pissing match here, but you'll find that it is as I stated in reality. In point of fact, during my somewhat long life, I've never been asked for my DL or other ID at any other time.

At what other time are you going to be asked for an ID? During a stroll down main street?

 

[Mangleweld]

Suppose you're out for a drive and you've got a tail light out... Or you're doing a bit above the speed limit and you just had a nice set of headers, exhaust pipes, and mufflers put on your car...

Regardless, you're now on the side of the road with a blue light special behind you.

Officer comes to the door and asks for your license and registration... Do you inform him that you are in possession of a concealed handgun or not?

Does the matter that it's the sherrif, a local county officer, or a state trooper change your option?



I think the DMV here flags your plates when you get a CCW. I've always thought it's a good idea to inform.

"Officer, I understand you go through a lot of risk in your line of duty, I would like to minimize this risk and inform you that I am in possession of a Concealed Weapon permit and I do have the weapon on my person (or in the car) The weapon is on my left hip (or next to the emergency brake handle in the center console). My license and registration are in my left front pocket. How would you like to proceed?"

In Oklahoma it is the law and required..

 

[hp-hobo]

I'm not interested in a pissing match here, but you'll find that it is as I stated in reality. In point of fact, during my somewhat long life, I've never been asked for my DL or other ID at any other time.

At what other time are you going to be asked for an ID? During a stroll down main street?

Are you refuting the facts as supported by 23-31?

It doesn't matter what your personal experience has been, you made a statement that you are unsable to support. And until you can cite a statute that says somethig different, your previous statement will continue to be wrong.

 

[Treo]

I'm not interested in a pissing match here, but you'll find that it is as I stated in reality. In point of fact, during my somewhat long life, I've never been asked for my DL or other ID at any other time.

At what other time are you going to be asked for an ID? During a stroll down main street?

Just be cause it hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't. If you have an official encounter w/ an SC cop you must inform him you are armed

 

[kelcarry]

Sorry Pat H---You are wrong. Just read the law. I agree with you on your point of fact---I am 69 and have never had an occasion to show my CCWP for traffic or otherwise. Then again I obey all traffic laws when I am CC and do not frequent or participate in any events or locations where I either "need" my CCW or where I might have any kind of confrontation with an LEO. If such an occasion should arise, even if it is a chance meeting with an LEO, who has a question for me in the conduct of any kind of business that does not even have to do with me--I am obligated to tell him I am CC; if I am not CC it would seem to be a moot point, although with computers and such at a traffic stop, he may, after running my plates and driver's license already know about my CCWP and I would show it to him but inform him that I am not CC--I consider it a courtesy to a person in a dangerous job.

 

[NavyLCDR]

At what other time are you going to be asked for an ID? During a stroll down main street?

I was asked to produce ID by police officers for eating dinner in a local restaurant at 6:00pm. Is that close enough?

 

[antietam]

I'm with you Lucenut. I've consistently advised to not volunteer information where not mandated - and even the states which mandate preemptive disclosure would be likely defeated in higher courts if the money and energy existed to push it. I'm wondering if it's a generational thing - perhaps many younger members aren't as aware of the principal of giving a little will lead to giving a lot, from a freedoms perspective. The history nuts are the most fervent to appreciate the "holding" of our rights and detest compromising in the name of "respecting" the LEO because the facts and hard truth of the subtlety by which our original freedoms deteriorated are ever in their minds. Frankly, I think LEOs have less respect for those soooooo willing to spill their guts about carrying when the circumstance is nothing more than a simple traffic stop.

 

[DMH102010]

The Mrs.

Replying to inquiry about CCW permit - we do not have a Nevada permit, but a Utah one since our course @ Frontsight in Nevada. For Nevada you have to be there in person to pick it up etc. They've an arrangement with Utah and so our's is a Utah one. It is recognized in Delaware BUT as in most states, you need one from the state that you reside in as I understand it, thus my statement that we are pursuing a DE CCW permit.

Thanks for the info about not having to inform.

 

[Beau]

I was asked to produce ID by police officers for eating dinner in a local restaurant at 6:00pm. Is that close enough?

I'll bite. What for?

 

[Treo]

I'll bite. What for?

He was open carrying. He refused to show ID too as I recall

 

[kelcarry]

Hey antietam: I guess you have your opinions and others, like myself, have ours. Personally, if I was an LEO and you gave me lip because I stopped you for breaking the law, you would end up spending a great deal of time waiting for my senior officer to arrive on the scene. If that is fine with you it would be fine with me.

 

[softbaitmaker]

It's people that give LEO's a hard time when it is unneccessary that make LEO's have attitudes towards all CCWP Carriers. It is the LEO's job to keep us safe when at all possible even to the point of putting their lives on the line to do so. It is far easier and more respectful to just cooperate with them in the course of them doing their duty. With all of the shootings that take place in resturants if I was LEO I might want to know your intentions after you completed your meal. If you have nothing to hide PROVE IT!!

 

[Treo]

Hey antietam: I guess you have your opinions and others, like myself, have ours. Personally, if I was an LEO and you gave me lip because I stopped you for breaking the law, you would end up spending a great deal of time waiting for my senior officer to arrive on the scene. If that is fine with you it would be fine with me.

I don't see where Antietam said anything about giving the cops lip.

Asserting your rights isn't giving the cop lip I’m not saying be rude to the police be very polite but firm,

If I get pulled over I ask the cop why he pulled me over before he ever opens his mouth; it ends the getcha gotcha games before they ever start. Anything bigger than a traffic stop and it would behoove me to avail myself of every protection offered me by the Constitution. How hard is it to say officer I want to speak to a lawyer before I answer any questions?

 

[Beau]

Hey antietam: I guess you have your opinions and others, like myself, have ours. Personally, if I was an LEO and you gave me lip because I stopped you for breaking the law, you would end up spending a great deal of time waiting for my senior officer to arrive on the scene. If that is fine with you it would be fine with me.

Well I guess it's a good thing you are not LE then. We need less officers who don't go on power trips because someone didn't give them the respect they deserve and bow to their almighty athoritay!!!

I would hope that your senior officer would write you up for wasting his time and inform the person you kept waiting that they should file a complaint for unlawful detainment.

It's people that give LEO's a hard time when it is unneccessary that make LEO's have attitudes towards all CCWP Carriers. It is the LEO's job to keep us safe when at all possible even to the point of putting their lives on the line to do so. It is far easier and more respectful to just cooperate with them in the course of them doing their duty. With all of the shootings that take place in resturants if I was LEO I might want to know your intentions after you completed your meal. If you have nothing to hide PROVE IT!!

What makes standing up for our rights unneccessary?? Update: It is not the LEO's job to keep us safe. It is OUR job to keep us safe. LE has no legal duty to protect the individual. Your right about one thing. It is far easier to bow down and do everything your told. It takes a man, or woman, with fortitude, a love for freedom and a sense of personal responsibility to stand up for rights and not cower before a thug with a badge.

Your last statement "If you have nothing to hide PROVE IT!" is absolutely sickening. If you can't see the utter failure and anti freedom mentality in that statement,,,, I don't know what.