Buddy of mine does gun smithing.....he has seen "plenty" of quality issues with Taurus pistols, and they weren't due to user error.:no: The Ruger LCP has been sold by the gazillions, they can't be problomatic for that to occur. Mine has yet to have a failure of any kind, and is very accurate and fun to shoot. The issues with Taurus is usually due to the lack of quality assurance, rushing new models out too quickly, and their tolerances and fit and finish is pure ass compared to others. I happen to be a Glock snob, and my gunsmith buddy says he rarely ever sees a Glock that needs repaired or sent back. At least Ruger has great customer service, that is another area where Taurus is seriously lacking.
Not exactly true.
Do you have a buddy that is also an expert in cancer? You evidence is lacking any credibility. You may as well have said Taurus bad, Ruger good ugggggg. You have obviously never used Taurus customer service. I have had great luck with the couple times have used it. I have had the opposite luck with Ruger CS the couple times I have used it. Ruger had problems with several of its guns for rushing to production and the LCP was one. It had a recall for Christ sake. For the research challenged here is a link Ruger - LCP® Product Safety Warning and Recall Notice
Just for fun here is a link where people are not brainless praising of it.
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Its a lot like the people who confuse blind nationalism with patriotism.
My evidence for Taurus making crappy guns isn't lacking any credibility. When you know people that work on guns for a living, are experts on guns for a living, and sell "all types of guns" for a living......I would call that person very credible. And opinions are like assholes, which you and I have both.
I said "general consensus", not "everybody". I should have prefaced my statement by saying "From what I've seen......". There will always be differing opinions.....especially in publications and/or websites where advertising money is at stake :biggrin:
That being said, from what I've seen the 238's reviews are extremely positive - overall quite a bit better than the rest. No major complaints. The same can't be said for the others (LCP, TCP, etc.). The Rohrbaugh is extremely expensive and many dealers don't carry it. For that reason I really didn't consider it. I was speaking about the more common guns.
That's why I like "Gun Test"; they accept NO advertising.[/I]
Talk about timing! Here you are extolling the virtues of "Gun Tests" and guess what I find in my mail when I get home - a Gun Tests subscription packet. Quite the coincidence......or is it :biggrin:
Anyway, I thought it was a bit amusing that the two Taurus pistols shown in their teaser ratings both got an "F". One of them, the Millenium Pro, was "beset with double-feeds and stovepipes".
Looks like they know what they're talking about. I'm going to subscribe.
BTW; What was the other Taurus?
Gun Tests compared nine pocket 380's a few months ago including; Sig, Kahr, Kel-tec, Taurus, Rohrbaugh and four others that escapes my "old-guy" memory. But, the results were that the Taurus out performed ALL other "pocket" 380's except the Rohrbaugh. But, at $1000+ dollars the Rohrbaugh is a very steep price for most shooters.
(I think the Sig came in third.)
Might as well jump in here. I have a LCP. Very nice, easy to carry little gun. This was the version after the recall problems. No trouble with it at all.
It is very accurate especially for it's intended use! I don't really understand why there would be much concern about the sights. Yes, nice glowing night sights would be nice but on a gun like this there are more important concerns.
I put the Crimson Trace Laserguard on mine. That is how I can say it is a pretty accurate gun. I have had nice groupings at 15 yds. That is taking some time to get on target. Put the Laser on any of these pocket pistols and get on target real quick and with just a bit of trigger control it will perform as intended in the statistically common self-defense range.
Not too much mention here about the Kahr p380. That gun I believe is top quality and the slide locks open after last round.
If anyone wants to read a real range report and not B2S biased garbage here is a great link.
Taurus 738 TCP Range Report « Day At The Range
What a great "single opinion" about the Taurus POS 738.....I mean the TCP. He got cut by the slide.....imagine that, that is due to the many several sharp edges that is free of charge. In theory the pistol is a great design and honestly a very nice gun.....however the machining quality and fit and finish of the gun is subpar. Polish this and polish that, and the gun pretty much works the way it should out of the box. Their revolvers are pretty darn good, however the cylinder slop is much more than you would ever see in a S&W or a Ruger.
Read that report and then scroll down to the comments section. It seems that quite a few posters don't agree with the article's glowing assesment of the TCP. As I've said in other posts, my preferred gun dealer stopped carrying Taurus autos because he said that 4 out of 10 people wanted to return them. Not good.
I only have two complaints about the gun. The first round, unless you really pull the slide all the way back and completely let go, does not chamber without assistance.