Hi RJ, Could you please explain what limp wristing is??? Sorry for the dumb question....
Thanks eagleeyes! For answering the question on limping.. I hope to give Bill's weapon a try again sometime soon, to see if this is the issue. Most likely it has to be. I will give you an update later.hold the gun tight enough so it comes back to target after recoil line your wrist up with your forearm straight and you shouldn't have that problem and even when shooting from the hip or other positions hold firm not way too firm but a good firmness ..you'll get the hang of it
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Thanks Numenor! For your help, there is alot to learn. I am sure this is the reason, hope to do my best to not let this happen again. I will give you an update on my next range session.Basically, limp wristing is leaving slack in your grip that absorbs enough of the recoil energy to prevent the gun from cycling properly. It's a pretty common issue with beginning pistol shooters, so don't worry about it. Just work on ensuring that your wrist is locked and that you have a firm (not tight) grip on your pistol.
Your auto pistol is a recoil operated machine, in order to operate properly it must have a solid support to recoil against. A firm grip on the gun (similar to strong hand shake grip) and a solid lockup of the wrist will eliminate limp wristing.
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Thanks Blues! I definitely have no unanswered questions after your explanation. Thanks so much and I will update you after my next range visit. You are absolutely the best!...I think I've told you before, there are no dumb questions! Link Removed
If your jams were because of limp-wristing, it isn't necessary to understand the physics of it, because the cure for it is pretty simple. The part of this video that I want you to focus on starts around the 2:00 minute mark, where the instructor is demonstrating what positions both of your hands should be in.
Pay particular attention to when he rotates his left wrist forward, aligning his thumb exactly parallel to the slide just underneath it. Just getting your hands in that configuration and applying a firm grip with both should eliminate any failures to feed (FTF) or failures to eject (FTE) associated with limp-wristing. Make certain that your weapon is unloaded (meaning, double, triple, even quadruple-check it), and you can practice attaining this grip at home until it becomes second-nature. In fact, there's a whole lot of things you can practice at home, gripping, dropping and reloading (empty) magazines, dry-fire exercises for proper trigger control, drawing from your holster, all kinds of stuff. Just stay obsessively aware when you're practicing anything at home, no live ammo anywhere near where you're doing your exercises.
Bill mentioned the possibility that the jams could have been because both weapons are new. That is true. Most weapons need some minimum break-in period before they run like a well-oiled machine. If you have an improper and/or weak grip when firing a weapon, your wrist can "flop around" for lack of a better description, bleeding off some of the inertia needed to fully actuate the slide. That is the basic explanation for "limp-wristing." Even a minor amount of limp-wristing on a new weapon can exacerbate the potential for FTEs and FTFs during the break-in period. Mastering the grip demonstrated in that video will eliminate at least that as the cause of any FTEs and FTFs. The break-in period will take care of itself as you continue to send lead downrange.
Hope that helps.
Blues
Thanks Numenor! For your help, there is alot to learn. I am sure this is the reason, hope to do my best to not let this happen again. I will give you an update on my next range session.
Hi SP, also don't forget that with use the limp wristing of a particular pistol will get better no matter who is shooting it, as some others have said when you field strip and clean a spot of oil is ok for the trigger mech and other parts, but it does help to use a good gun grease on the rails, I use tetra, but I have use all sorts of automotive stuff, the opject is to slick it up so the slide fires back super easy with as little drag as possable, and if you clean after each session the fact the what ever grease you use may gather dust, dirt, or whatever, don't matter, as for the cleaning before lube don't waste you money on that high dollar gun cleaning stuff, go to your auto parts place and get a can or two of brake parts cleaner, it dries clean, spray the whole gun and parts, wipe down, then lube, grease reassemble and your good to go
Princess. Re; your shooting to the left. I'm sure that SGB can give you a better instructing/explanation, but it may be a result of your finger placement on the trigger. When I was trained, and that was more years ago than I care to count, we were told to make sure that the trigger is only on the first pad of the finger, between the crease and tip. Never allowing the crease to touch the trigger. I don't recall the exact reason, but as I recall it was something to do with the further the finger is on the trigger, the more it has a tendency to "curl" rather than pull, thus pushing the barrel to the left. I am not an instructor, nor am I an expert. Hopefully someone here can give you an understandable explanation.
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Your description of proper trigger finger placement is correct. However diagnosing the reason one is grouping off center is often more complex than just the placement of the trigger finger. Unequal pressure between the strong and weak hand, clenching, thumb pressure, flinching, anticipating or shifting eyes off the sights are a few examples.
Thanks cluznar! I will look into it, hope you like the poem...superprincess do you ever sell your poetry? Check out Helium.com I have sold a few stories I wrote on Helium.
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Hey Princess, I agree. look into selling or atleast publishing your poetry. It's very good. I have been swamped this week but am thinking I can make our usual noon Friday range visit if you are up to it and willing, as before i'll know better tomorrow and let you know. Hope you had a good week.
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