US House votes to fund Syrian rebels today...

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The House approved arming Syrian rebels today (http://online.wsj.com/articles/hous...rian-rebels-to-fight-islamic-state-1410979081). Here was Rep. Amash's statement before the vote:


"Friends,
What have we learned from the last decade of war?


Those years should have taught us that when going to war, our government must:


(1) be careful when defining a military mission,


(2) speak forthrightly with the American people about the sacrifices they will be called to make,


(3) plan more than one satisfactory end to the conflict, and


(4) be humble about what we think we know.


These lessons should be at the front of our minds when Congress votes today on whether to arm groups in Syria.


Today’s amendment ostensibly is aimed at destroying ISIS—yet you’d hardly know it from reading the amendment’s text. The world has witnessed with horror the evil of ISIS: the public beheading of innocents, the killing of Christians, Muslims, and others.

The amendment’s focus—arming groups fighting the Assad government in Syria—has little to do with defeating ISIS. The mission that the amendment advances plainly isn’t the defeat of ISIS; it’s the defeat of Assad.


Americans stood overwhelmingly against entangling our Armed Forces in the Syrian civil war a year ago. If Congress chooses to arm groups in Syria, it must explain to the American people not only why that mission is necessary but also the sacrifices that that mission entails.


The Obama administration has tried to rally support for U.S. involvement in the Syrian civil war by implying that our help would be at arm’s length. The amendment Congress will vote on broadly authorizes “assistance” to groups in Syria. It does not specify what types of weapons our government will give the groups. It does not prohibit boots on the ground. (The amendment is silent on the president’s power to order our troops to fight in the civil war; it states only that Congress doesn’t provide “specific statutory authorization” for such escalation.) It does not state the financial cost of the war.


As we should have learned from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, we must plan for multiple satisfactory ends to military conflicts before we commence them.


If the Syrian groups that are “appropriately vetted” (the amendment’s language) succeed and oust Assad, what would result? Would the groups assemble a coalition government of anti-Assad fighters, and would that coalition include ISIS? What would happen to the Alawites and Christians who stood with Assad? To what extent would the U.S. government be obligated to occupy Syria to rebuild the government? If each of the groups went its own way, would Syria’s territory be broken apart, and if so, would ISIS control one of the resulting countries?


If the Syrian groups that we support begin to lose, would we let them be defeated? If not, is there any limit to American involvement in the war?


Perhaps some in the administration or Congress have answers to these questions. But the amendment we’ll vote on today contains none of them.


Above all, when Congress considers serious actions—especially war—we must be humble about what we think we know. We don’t know very much about the groups we propose to support or even how we intend to vet those groups. Reports in the last week suggest that some of the “appropriately vetted” groups have struck deals with ISIS, although the groups dispute the claim. The amendment requires the administration to report on its efforts to prevent our arms and resources from ending up in the wrong hands, but we know little about those precautions or their effectiveness.


Today, I will vote against the amendment to arm groups in Syria. There is a wide misalignment between the rhetoric of defeating ISIS and the amendment’s actual mission of arming certain groups in the Syrian civil war. The amendment provides few limits on the type of assistance that our government may commit, and the exit out of the civil war is undefined. And given what’s happened in our country’s most recent wars, our leaders seem to have unjustified confidence in their own ability to execute a plan with so many unknowns.


Some of my colleagues no doubt will come to different judgments on these questions. But it’s essential that they consider the questions carefully. That the president wants the authority to intervene in the Syrian civil war is not a sufficient reason to give him that power. Under the Constitution, it is Congress’s independent responsibility to commence war.


We are the representatives of the American people. The government is proposing to take their resources and to put their children’s lives at risk. I encourage all my colleagues to give the decision the weight it is due.


Sincerely,

Justin Amash
Member of Congress"

BTW, they are wasting no time getting this to the senate; a vote is expected yet THIS WEEK.
 
The people ( term used loosely here ) who make up ISIS is exactly who 0bama helped in the first place against Assad. Who is the legitimate head of the Syrian gov't.
 
The big trouble with not using our own people is that we don't really know who is going to do our dirty work and when they are done will they turn on the hand that has fed them as history has shown happening. We are not good at picking reliable partners in the Middle East, didn't we fund and train OBL in Afghanistan years ago.
 
The House approved arming Syrian rebels today (House Approves Arming Syrian Rebels to Fight Islamic State - WSJ). Here was Rep. Amash's statement before the vote:




BTW, they are wasting no time getting this to the senate; a vote is expected yet THIS WEEK.

Well said. Worth repeating. This is a big mistake being made by all those voting for it.

"Friends,
What have we learned from the last decade of war?




Those years should have taught us that when going to war, our government must:




(1) be careful when defining a military mission,




(2) speak forthrightly with the American people about the sacrifices they will be called to make,




(3) plan more than one satisfactory end to the conflict, and




(4) be humble about what we think we know.




These lessons should be at the front of our minds when Congress votes today on whether to arm groups in Syria.




Today’s amendment ostensibly is aimed at destroying ISIS—yet you’d hardly know it from reading the amendment’s text. The world has witnessed with horror the evil of ISIS: the public beheading of innocents, the killing of Christians, Muslims, and others.


The amendment’s focus—arming groups fighting the Assad government in Syria—has little to do with defeating ISIS. The mission that the amendment advances plainly isn’t the defeat of ISIS; it’s the defeat of Assad.




Americans stood overwhelmingly against entangling our Armed Forces in the Syrian civil war a year ago. If Congress chooses to arm groups in Syria, it must explain to the American people not only why that mission is necessary but also the sacrifices that that mission entails.




The Obama administration has tried to rally support for U.S. involvement in the Syrian civil war by implying that our help would be at arm’s length. The amendment Congress will vote on broadly authorizes “assistance” to groups in Syria. It does not specify what types of weapons our government will give the groups. It does not prohibit boots on the ground. (The amendment is silent on the president’s power to order our troops to fight in the civil war; it states only that Congress doesn’t provide “specific statutory authorization” for such escalation.) It does not state the financial cost of the war.




As we should have learned from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, we must plan for multiple satisfactory ends to military conflicts before we commence them.




If the Syrian groups that are “appropriately vetted” (the amendment’s language) succeed and oust Assad, what would result? Would the groups assemble a coalition government of anti-Assad fighters, and would that coalition include ISIS? What would happen to the Alawites and Christians who stood with Assad? To what extent would the U.S. government be obligated to occupy Syria to rebuild the government? If each of the groups went its own way, would Syria’s territory be broken apart, and if so, would ISIS control one of the resulting countries?




If the Syrian groups that we support begin to lose, would we let them be defeated? If not, is there any limit to American involvement in the war?




Perhaps some in the administration or Congress have answers to these questions. But the amendment we’ll vote on today contains none of them.




Above all, when Congress considers serious actions—especially war—we must be humble about what we think we know. We don’t know very much about the groups we propose to support or even how we intend to vet those groups. Reports in the last week suggest that some of the “appropriately vetted” groups have struck deals with ISIS, although the groups dispute the claim. The amendment requires the administration to report on its efforts to prevent our arms and resources from ending up in the wrong hands, but we know little about those precautions or their effectiveness.




Today, I will vote against the amendment to arm groups in Syria. There is a wide misalignment between the rhetoric of defeating ISIS and the amendment’s actual mission of arming certain groups in the Syrian civil war. The amendment provides few limits on the type of assistance that our government may commit, and the exit out of the civil war is undefined. And given what’s happened in our country’s most recent wars, our leaders seem to have unjustified confidence in their own ability to execute a plan with so many unknowns.




Some of my colleagues no doubt will come to different judgments on these questions. But it’s essential that they consider the questions carefully. That the president wants the authority to intervene in the Syrian civil war is not a sufficient reason to give him that power. Under the Constitution, it is Congress’s independent responsibility to commence war.




We are the representatives of the American people. The government is proposing to take their resources and to put their children’s lives at risk. I encourage all my colleagues to give the decision the weight it is due.




Sincerely,


Justin Amash
Member of Congress"
 
Well, the senate gave Obama exactly what he wanted: Syrian rebels will be funded to fight Syrian president Assad.

No idea how this will assist fighting ISIS.
 
Congress complicit in arming terrorists

Well, the senate gave Obama exactly what he wanted: Syrian rebels will be funded to fight Syrian president Assad.

No idea how this will assist fighting ISIS.
Congress complicit in arming terrorists
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Make no doubt about it: The US Congress, which has been absent for the past several years on both domestic and foreign policy, is complicit in using taxpayer money to expand the reach of terrorism. The Republican-controlled House of Representatives Wednesday voted 273-156 to approve the occupant of the Oval Office's plan to train and equip "moderate" Syrian rebels to counter the threat of the Islamic State and to overthrow the government of Bashar Assad. The trouble is, it is proven repeatedly that there are no moderates to arm. These Islamists will take our training and our money, as they have in the past, and go off on their own radical mission, likely joining the Islamic State.

The Washington Post reports, "Every ideological corner of the House found reason to doubt the mission, portending a lengthy debate in November and December over an expansive use-of-force resolution...Duncan D. Hunter (R-Calif.), a Marine who deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan, said the authority "does nothing" to destroy the Islamic State. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a captain in the Hawaii National Guard who served in Iraq, called Obama's strategy "unrealistic" and worried "it will take way too long" to work. Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va), a controversial Democrat and shyster, said "It's the best choice of worse options. It's because there are no better alternatives and I don't think it's responsible to do nothing."

Congress and this "president" are doing the same thing over again that they did with what enjoined a fledgling Islamic State--train Islamists on US tactics, give them US weapons, and point them in the direction of what the West perceives as the bad guys--Only to have them join the bad guys because they are bad guys to begin with. They voted with serious misgivings to give this "president" authority to arm more Islamists in the Middle East. The long term impact of this plan is to bolster the ranks of the IS caliphate and consolidate its presence in Syria, Iraq and the Levant (which includes Israel). There is no way to defeat IS by training and equipping Islamists to do it. They are bound by their religion.

We have a "president" who is now using a Congress to continue Arab Spring and ultimately arm and fund Islamists that will most likely join the IS caliphate rather than destroy it. It is widely reported that the moderate groups the "president" wishes to train and arm already have a non-aggression agreement in place with IS. The "president" says this is not true. It has been reported, however, by several credible outlets that are independent of one another. Bottom line: Congress and the White House are complicit in arming the enemies of America and they are using your tax money to do it. As the Lord said in Joshua 7:13, "There is an accursed thing in the midst of thee." And we cannot stand until it is gone and we are sanctified.

Bill Wilson - Daily Jot -



Life Is Good. :victory:



~ The nearer a lie to truth the more deceitful it is ~
 
So really what we have here is the United States Government using China's money to fund the arming of the rebels that the citizens of the United States will have to pay China back for at some distant future date. Is that correct?
 
So really what we have here is the United States Government using China's money to fund the arming of the rebels that the citizens of the United States will have to pay China back for at some distant future date. Is that correct?

Almost. We're borrowing the money from China to fund the rebels who are using weapons obtained from China in the first place.
 

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