trophyhunter:222188 said:Who's cracking Jokes, As responcible Armed Citizens we are held to higher Standards. This is the kind of Situations Anti-Gunners love I can hear them now another Drunk with a Concealed Weapon.I'm not bashing him, but he should of made a better choice.
If your going to drink, leave your weapon at home. I'm sorry this happened to him, and hope all ends well for him.But I'm thinking of all CCWers not just one. As stated before What if he had to use his weapon while under the Influence.No attorney in the world could save him. Bottom line We as CCW holders always need to keep clear minds,, and bodies
And if you dont like the responces, dont post that kind of Information.
Again, I thought his story was, drinking not armed, sobered up, and was caught on his way home from a trip....I don't know how many of you drink. I don't drink, and this was a decision before carrying. But I don't feel its right to tell someone who has had some beers that they no longer have a right to defend themselves at all. If my wife had some wine, felt a little tipsy, and then some guy tried to break into our home, I sure hope she destroys that guy.
There are many things that can cloud judgment beyond alcohol. Medication, caffeine, sugar, etc. I agree completely we should all have clear minds, all the time. But that is not always the case, the o p original story does not put him at the bar with his weapon.
Kasper:215582 said:What is it with people who say don't drink if your carrying your firearm. What because I want to have a beer with my dinner that means I have to give up my right to defend myself if attacked. If police can do it then I should be able to do it. After all police are just citizens so if they are allowed to drink and carry when they are not working why is it that we can not do the same?
Terminal Lance:216033 said:Well Kelcarry. Some of us grown ups who can handle our sh** can still function in an adequate mental and physical capacity above .08. Since half a zima impairs you to the point of incoherentness then yes you should not carry. However, a grown man with hair under his arms more than likely can have 5 beers and still make conscious decisions about their danger level while keeping in mind the parameters for lethal force set by their state. One should not have to forfeit their right to defend yourself because they had a few beers at theneighbors BBQ or what have you. You weren't wrong to carry OP, you were wrong to get caught...but it happens. I'm sure Texas is littered with pro gun/carry lawyers so just start with the first one in the phone book or ask someone around there.
the dark:222341 said:Kasper:215582 said:What is it with people who say don't drink if your carrying your firearm. What because I want to have a beer with my dinner that means I have to give up my right to defend myself if attacked. If police can do it then I should be able to do it. After all police are just citizens so if they are allowed to drink and carry when they are not working why is it that we can not do the same?
Quite simply, the last thing you want to do is have to shoot someone in delf-defense with a measurable BAC...or witnesses to state that you have been drinking. No matter who you are.
the dark:222343 said:Terminal Lance:216033 said:Well Kelcarry. Some of us grown ups who can handle our sh** can still function in an adequate mental and physical capacity above .08. Since half a zima impairs you to the point of incoherentness then yes you should not carry. However, a grown man with hair under his arms more than likely can have 5 beers and still make conscious decisions about their danger level while keeping in mind the parameters for lethal force set by their state. One should not have to forfeit their right to defend yourself because they had a few beers at theneighbors BBQ or what have you. You weren't wrong to carry OP, you were wrong to get caught...but it happens. I'm sure Texas is littered with pro gun/carry lawyers so just start with the first one in the phone book or ask someone around there.
All well and good, but I suspect defending yourself with a firearm with aBAC over. 08 will likely land you in some sh**...whether you claim high tolerance or not. Just as with DUI, they are simply going to go by rule...and that universally .08.
Agent Green:222440 said:So much for the "permit holders are law abiding good guys" thing.
If the OP was drinking and carrying he should be charged accordingly and have his permit revoked. Period.
What is it with people who say don't drink if your carrying your firearm. What because I want to have a beer with my dinner that means I have to give up my right to defend myself if attacked. If police can do it then I should be able to do it. After all police are just citizens so if they are allowed to drink and carry when they are not working why is it that we can not do the same?
It's like putting a thief in your mouth to steal your brains. :hang3:
Well Kelcarry. Some of us grown ups who can handle our sh** can still function in an adequate mental and physical capacity above .08. Since half a zima impairs you to the point of incoherentness then yes you should not carry. However, a grown man with hair under his arms more than likely can have 5 beers and still make conscious decisions about their danger level while keeping in mind the parameters for lethal force set by their state. One should not have to forfeit their right to defend yourself because they had a few beers at theneighbors BBQ or what have you. You weren't wrong to carry OP, you were wrong to get caught...but it happens. I'm sure Texas is littered with pro gun/carry lawyers so just start with the first one in the phone book or ask someone around there.
way off topic here to start off but i've thought the same thing as terminal lance in a way but say you had a few, go home sleep and someone breaks into your house with a deadly weapon? you all are going to tell me you wont pull the trigger all because you know before you went to sleep you had a few and would still show in your system? anyways we all make mistakes yes that sucks but we are all human this thread could go in so many different directions i just hope it comes out for the best for you in the end and you can move on with your life!
It's not that I was being negligent and carousing around with a firearm. I ha been out and went home and ate and "sobered up" the only problem is that it was a small town and the police had seen me earlier after the bar (not carrying) and I was ready to leave the town and was stopped (while carrying as any of you would do to leave anywhere) and was surrounded. It's not that I was blasted drunk or blatantly disregarding the law, I was just in a sticky situation. Yall should have some kind of heart for this because I know at some point you have made a bad decision and have paid for it. This is not my way of saying F you to the gun community. It is my way of reaching out for help, admitting my wrong, and looking to improve on it. There is NO WAY I would place myself in this type of situation ever again.
Haha yes spot on! I made a valid point about the FACT that alcohol effects people differently based on several variables, so that could only mean I'm a raging alcoholic that masturbates to bottles of scotch that are old enough to buy their own scotch. Wrong. I gave up drinking a while back, but even if I were a drunk it wouldn't change the validity of my remarks.
...Hey guess what. Strangers don't pull knives on you for any reason other than to threaten or take your life.
How about if they were intoxicated and thought you were the bad guy and felt threatened? No presumption other than danger could be made.How about if they saw someone or something about to attack you from behind and were attempting to protect you? Never say never and never say always.
Also, castle doctrine protects against any civil penalties as well as legal. That is true in some states, but not in others.
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