"To Serve and Protect...???"

[MI .45]

Yes, there are major differences between our countries, our cultures, ethnic makeup, etc; but... there is an ongoing escalation of questionable cause fatalities at the hand of law enforcement agencies that cannot be ignored: Link Removed

And, to have so few LEO's properly investigated, so few indicted and charged, so few prosecuted, and a minuscule few found guilty, well... simply beggars the imagination.

 

[RonM0710]

Are you advicating gun control here in America like they have in The UK? And UK police just started carring guns themselves recently.

 

[MI .45]

Absolutely not... I'm advocating against a police state that is all too eager to shoot first and (maybe) answer questions later.

 

[Fallschirmjäger]

 

[Fallschirmjäger]

Either there is something fundamentally wrong with America's people, or there is something fundamentally wrong with America's police. I wonder which it is?

Do the American people
... dress fundamentally different than those in the UK?
... act towards one another fundamentally different than those in the UK?
... carry different tools for life that are fundamentally different than those in the UK?

UK population 2014 - 64 million.
USA population 2014 - 319 million. (x5 size of UK)

So why do American police kill more than 300 Times as many people?

 

[gfrlaser]

there is something fundamentally wrong with America's people

This.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Either there is something fundamentally wrong with America's people, or there is something fundamentally wrong with America's police. I wonder which it is?

Both.

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[NavyLCDR]

Do the American people
... dress fundamentally different than those in the UK?

We can carry guns, for the most part.

... act towards one another fundamentally different than those in the UK?

I hope so. More and more Americans are becoming intolerant a-holes.

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... carry different tools for life that are fundamentally different than those in the UK?

Kind of hard for UK police officers to shoot people when they have been unarmed for decades. Maybe we need to do the same in the US - take the guns away from the police, but leave Joe Citizens' guns alone.

UK population 2014 - 64 million.
USA population 2014 - 319 million. (x5 size of UK)

So why do American police kill more than 300 Times as many people?

Again, the answer is surprisingly simple:
The British police on armed routine patrol - BBC News

"Although every police force has a firearms unit, for decades it has been an article of faith that in the mainland UK, almost uniquely among major industrialised nations, the police do not carry guns as a matter of course."

I think the bold part above might just have a little bit to do with it.

Some of the comments here are hilarious:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-minor-incidents-burglaries-car-crashes.html

Police carrying guns - oh the horrors of it!

 

[Fallschirmjäger]

When all you have is a hammer, everything begins to looks like a nail.

When all you have are impact weapons, chemical weapons, electrical discharge weapons, and kinetic energy weapons, everything begins to look like something a weapon is needed on

 

[RonM0710]

UK population 2014 - 64 million.
USA population 2014 - 319 million. (x5 size of UK)

So why do American police kill more than 300 Times as many people?

Could it be that only 1.6% of UK Police carry firearms effect the numers? If you take that into account, the numbers are about the same.

 

[Fallschirmjäger]

So, are you saying that if we give cops guns they'll just kill people?
Is that a sound reason for disarming the police?

 

[NavyLCDR]

So, are you saying that if we give cops guns they'll just kill people?
Is that a sound reason for disarming the police?

Isn't that exactly what the government fueled by the anti-gun lobby says about non-LEO citizens?

When Joe Citizen kills someone, the government does everything it can to prove Joe Citizen guilty. When a cop kills someone, the government does everything possible to prove the cop justified. That's the problem.

 

[Deanimator]

When Joe Citizen kills someone, the government does everything it can to prove Joe Citizen guilty. When a cop kills someone, the government does everything possible to prove the cop justified. That's the problem.

Now let's be fair.

When those cops in California tried to shoot Margie Carranza, Emma Hernandez and the surfer to doll rags, police officials "justified" the wild hail of gunfire on the basis that the cops were "scared". Are you saying that if one of the victims had shot up the neighborhood because THEY were "scared", THEY wouldn't have gotten the same benefit of the doubt (and seeming immunity from prosecution)?

 

[r1derbike]

You bet there's a problem in America; carjackers, robbers, rapists, murderers, child molesters, multiple home invaders, dangerous convicts let-out of prison early, political corruption, violent road rage, and a plethora of evil that we law-abiding citizens have to be aware.

The problem is the crime. The problem is not banning this or that we law-abiding citizens own for self-defense. The criminals plead-down their offenses, the judicial system is corrupt. The criminals have more rights than victims.

Banning guns certainly will reduce the crime committed with guns by those murderers who can't afford them, and leave innocent people dead at the hands of the above.

If every gun went "poof" tomorrow, the next lethal implement would be used by the criminals and murderers, and the crime would skyrocket, especially against the defenseless. Just look at the crime in England and Australia when guns were banned. They've skyrocketed, not with guns, but other weapons.

It is convenient that liberals and others who quote that gun crime would be down if they were banned, don't have the mental capacity to realize crime will rise with other implements at hand, and many criminals will still have guns.

I have a notion that lawmakers in the criminal justice system all over America have fallen to blatant stupidity, and moronic bandwagon behavior of brainless idiots.

Let's give criminal credit where it is due; Obama, contempt of Congress Eric Holder, and nearly their entire administration of scofflaws. A band of masked, merry outlaws, impervious to the rule-of-law.

We don't have a gun problem with law-abiding citizens in the U.S., we have a criminal problem the administration won't address.

And people around the world scoff and point fingers at we self defense inspired citizens?

Perhaps it would be better if we former self-defensive citizens were murdered because of a gun ban?

Molly-coddling, the sky is falling ignorant leftists don't have a clue, and the answers they propose to take care of issues, are just idiotic. A special kind of stupid they possess because of knee-jerk, emotional thinking, and myopic, off-base understanding of the criminal element in our society, and an unwillingness to address real problems.

I swear the above people have inherited a defective gene that causes their lack of reason.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Now let's be fair.

When those cops in California tried to shoot Margie Carranza, Emma Hernandez and the surfer to doll rags, police officials "justified" the wild hail of gunfire on the basis that the cops were "scared". Are you saying that if one of the victims had shot up the neighborhood because THEY were "scared", THEY wouldn't have gotten the same benefit of the doubt (and seeming immunity from prosecution)?

On top of that - two, three or four uniformed police officers start shooting at you and you have no idea why, what would happen if you shot back in self defense?

 

[Deanimator]

On top of that - two, three or four uniformed police officers start shooting at you and you have no idea why, what would happen if you shot back in self defense?

Well obviously, if a couple of women delivering papers don't LET a pack of COWARDS murder them, they're "cop haters".

Of course if they take no hostile action AT ALL, survive and sue, they're "opportunists" playing the "ghetto lottery".

The LAPD and Torrance cops who tried to murder the women and the surfer taught them a lesson I'm not sure they intended: The penalty for NOT trying to murder cops in LA and Torrance is the same as for TRYING to...

 

[Deanimator]

And just to throw a little light onto how cops REALLY think about NON-CRIMINAL citizens, read a sampling of stories about David Perdue, the surfer whom the Torrance PD tried to murder.

The degree of hatred and contempt that veritably radiates from police statements regarding Perdue and his lawsuit against them is astonishing. They actually seemed more enraged against him than against Christopher Dorner, their supposed target.

At least the LAPD had the decency to be embarrassed. Not the Torrance PD. They seemed genuinely offended that somebody whom they tried to murder, and whom they injured and rendered unable to work or conduct normal physical activity, would dare to sue them.

 

[r1derbike]

"From the start, Torrance police officials did not call the shooting a mistake, but said it was a result of the confluence of events that surrounded it".

So, it was a mistake...

 

[Deanimator]

"From the start, Torrance police officials did not call the shooting a mistake, but said it was a result of the confluence of events that surrounded it".

So, it was a mistake...

The description which you quoted above could be applied to everything from a dropped plate at Applebee's to the Holocaust.

The phrase, "Not a bug, but a feature" comes to mind...

 

[Fallschirmjäger]

"From the start, Torrance police officials did not call the shooting a mistake, but said it was a result of the confluence of events that surrounded it".
So, it was a mistake...

No, no no... it was a 'confluence', see the difference is that someone is responsible for a mistake and we can't have people, especially ossifers of the law being responsible.