The reality of Carrying Concealed

[tuts40]

Because if it was said by a LEO, it must be true. :wacko:

I know. But there are some LEO's who have been around the block a few times, who have spoken at length with "thugs", who aren't in it for the excellent tax payer funded retirement package. Hell, some might be a downright great source of information about criminal behavior.

I'd like to think your quip above was a quick and light-hearted LEO jab. If not, I'd like to mention that you forgot the other groups of authors mentioned... However, if some of the authors are LEO's and someone feels the information written should be ignored and is meaningless because the authors are LEO's, well who are we to think our own opinions rise above it? Why should YOUR written post OR MINE be worth any consideration? (If anyone takes a quote and wants to jab please quote this entire post and not one sentence. Credibility would be greatly enhanced)

We ALL post our opinions i suppose, me included. Most of these posts (notice the word "most")are simply opinions. Funny thing tho that I've noticed is that a person could quote something in any given forum, this one included, that was written by a person who designs "widgits" and someone will find something to poo-poo about regarding the designers thoughts about widgits. After all, most poo-poo'ers are experts themselves, right? Yeah, widgits have little to do with tactical thinking (I am not an expert in either) but hopefully the idea behind the analogy will not be lost. ...I typed it very slowly.

And yes, it's true in my original post on this thread I did not provide quotes, let alone author names, publication and dates as I already mentioned in this thread. I apologized for refering to the writings without doing such, and will not elude to writings in the future without author names, etc.

I hope all of you, even the orificer, has a great day!

 

[BC1]

I wonder if I can get 2 or 3 more posts here with this question.

OC'ers say that the sight of them carrying openly will cause a criminal to go down the street and find another person upon which to commit their crime or will wait till the offending weapon has left the scene. CC'ers say that carrying concealed removes the possibility of the thug grabbing their gun or targeting them. If both are true then it stands to reason that OC does not prevent crime, only delays it. CC may cause the thug to re-think their plan to commit the crime because they do not KNOW if someone is carrying. Do they want to take that chance. The criminal may decide its not worth the risk and choose not to commit the crime.

We must remember that even the death penalty has been found to not deter murderers.

 

[Firefighterchen]

I wonder if I can get 2 or 3 more posts here with this question.

OC'ers say that the sight of them carrying openly will cause a criminal to go down the street and find another person upon which to commit their crime or will wait till the offending weapon has left the scene. CC'ers say that carrying concealed removes the possibility of the thug grabbing their gun or targeting them. If both are true then it stands to reason that OC does not prevent crime, only delays it. CC may cause the thug to re-think their plan to commit the crime because they do not KNOW if someone is carrying. Do they want to take that chance. The criminal may decide its not worth the risk and choose not to commit the crime.

Yeah, I kn ow...its a stretch.

For the record, I CC. Florida does not allow OC, but if they did, I would probably still CC. I prefer not to let people know I'm armed anyway. I have no issue with OC'ers though. If its their legal right to do so, then go for it. Personal choice.

I don't care whether you CC or OC as long as you carry.

If the criminal is intent on committing the crime, then yes it will only delay that criminal, and I am sorry for whoever he/she decides is an easier target than me. CC can't change intent either. CC might cause the criminal to have doubt when he is pursuing a victim, but so could a person who doesn't carry at all. The OC will cause a lot of doubt for the average criminal, or even if its only the slightest for those "hardened gangstas", and that doubt could very well send the criminal home to rethink life. The best practice to deter criminals is situational awareness. Stand up straight, keep your awareness up, stay confident. CC or OC should be practicing SA, because that will help you avoid most confrontations. I OC because I believe that will help me avoid most of the rest possible confrontations. Either case, CC or OC will end the confrontation if you use proper SA, drawing, aiming, and firing, if the crime still takes place. I do not believe in the element of surprise for this reason mainly (there are other reasons, but this is my top reason); how long should it take for you to pull your gun and fire the first 2 shots? Will the criminal have enough time to be surprised before they are dead (assuming you have good shot placement)? I practice to get 5-6 rounds off within 2 seconds at 5 yards, center mass hits.

Answer yourself this, on here or in your head. Be truthful to yourself, immerse yourself in this fantasy day dream. If you were to commit a robbery, and you had a plan to rob the local bank inside the local grocery store. If you pulled into your parking spot, that you chose as the best grab and go get away spot, and you see a customer walk into the store with a handgun on their side. They are walking with confidence and intent, and seems to be in tune with their surroundings. The OC may even glance over at your vehicle that just pulled in. What would you do at that point?

Grogard is right, there are people on each side that will not be changed. Some think I'm an idiot for how I think, I think others are idiots for how they think. So be it. You seem humble in your response, and so take my response humbly as well. I wish safe traveling for all my carrying brothers and sisters out there, even the idiots deserve to be safe .

How so? There has never been a case where someone who has been executed has committed a murder.

That was good!

 

[50SR9]

Not going to throw fuel on the fire. My view is simple, if you are in an open carry state carry open if you like. The biggest thing for me is, I will back you up if needed, hoping you will do the same. Us against them and they suck, let them suck our lead as we (both open and cc) take back control.

 

[CapGun]

It sure does! Well at least for that criminal which was convicted and the death penalty carried out!:sarcastic: This is in reference to the death penalty not deterring murderers.

 

[NavyLCDR]

It sure does! Well at least for that criminal which was convicted and the death penalty carried out!:sarcastic: This is in reference to the death penalty not deterring murderers.

You have to remember that there is much less chance of a criminal dying due to the death penalty then there is of the criminal dying if they meet an armed citizen. That is why criminals, when asked, state that they are more afraid of meeting an armed citizen than they are of the police.

 

[BC1]

How so? There has never been a case where someone who has been executed has committed a murder.

Numerous interviews with convicted killers through the years finds that very few were concerned about the death penalty when committing their crimes. The data can be found all over the web regarding the effectiveness of the death penalty.

 

[BC1]

The biggest thing for me is, I will back you up if needed, hoping you will do the same.

Contrary to everything we teach. The best advice I can give you is to stay out until you can't. Don't intervene in a situation where you don't know the entire background of the parties and the situation in front of you. This advice is directly from Mas Ayoob.

 

[Axeanda45]

*Whispers in BC1's ear.... The dead ones cant give interviews, or kill again for that matter....*

 

[BC1]

*Whispers in BC1's ear.... The dead ones cant give interviews, or kill again for that matter....*

That's for sure. I hear Texas has an express lane for the worst of them.

 

[walt629]

Aww... Come on. Don't you folks that open carry just like to show off your fancy new shootin rig? :sarcastic:

 

[Firefighterchen]

Aww... Come on. Don't you folks that open carry just like to show off your fancy new shootin rig? :sarcastic:

no

 

[NavyLCDR]

Aww... Come on. Don't you folks that open carry just like to show off your fancy new shootin rig? :sarcastic:

I wish that I could afford a new shootin' rig to show off!