I wouldn't mind having a few boxes on hand. I would not use it for home defense under current conditions... But, If SHTF several full mags and rounds to spare would feel good.
Capt. Frank started another thread on this ammo. It is title is "seen this?" Maybe you missed it.
Also a prosecutor who is looking to further his career would have a field day with anyone who used this ammo in defense of themselves and/or their family!
I pointed out in the other thread that the fragments were coming out the sides of the ballistic gel. I wouldn't want to use this round for defense knowing that I could not control the direction all the fragments would travel. However, Kramer, I like your ideas during a SHTF situation.
Also, how many noticed they are not going to have 9mm rounds? They specifically mentioned, .380, .357, .40 and .45.
First off, I can only see this ammo useful in situations where you don't care what you're collateral damage is, and I can't see that happening almost ever (outside of combat or a SHTF situation where you're firing into a group of enemy combatants with very low probability of friendly-fire, and even then, we train to do our best to know where our projectiles will impact). There was a time many years ago where my formal Military Training was still a strong influence on my reactions. I often wondered how much of this training would help me, and how much would hurt me. In a SHTF situation trying to calculate every possible outcome could cost you your life. IMHO, if your loved ones are with you may the chips fall where they may. Second, this is just a highly-engineered, purposefully-designed fragmentation round with sharp trocars to create multiple wound cavities. Much like the comments on Liberty Defense ammo, it's a high-velocity, low-weight round which imparts most of its destructive power in the first several inches of penetration, but otherwise, only the base of the round continues on the original intended path deep into tissue, leaving a minimal cavity. Not ideal for defense situations, where most would agree that shot placement is paramount (vital organs, center of mass, CNS), penetration second, and expansion/wound cavity third. I can imagine this hitting an extremity, and while you may shred then heck out of it, the trocars are going to expand and launch out of the tissue and go every which way.If you hit an arm, inward on the body would be one positive direction the fragments can and will go. As long as they don't do a Uie I'm generally going to be OK with their direction. Again, no control over the terminal impacts, and unlikely to incapacitate the target, although the limb may be rendered useless. Each projectile in and of itself would likely not carry the combined mass or velocity (aka kinetic energy) to overcome or be effective when encountering bone or other dense tissues).
As for the comments on not producing 9mm, the video explicitly stated that they used their 9mm round for the testing and filming, with the others to follow as future developments.
I pointed out in the other thread that the fragments were coming out the sides of the ballistic gel. I wouldn't want to use this round for defense knowing that I could not control the direction all the fragments would travel. However, Kramer, I like your ideas during a SHTF situation.
Also, how many noticed they are not going to have 9mm rounds? They specifically mentioned, .380, .357, .40 and .45.
I can't understand why people keep repeating this fallacy.
can you point me towards one instance of a prosecutor successfully using the type of ammo used to gain a conviction of someone who shot someone in a "justified shooting"
They have a link on their webpage where you can order on-line from a place in Arkansas. It's just an e-mail address though... I sent an e-mail asking for prices and availability.
When you get the info, please post it here for everyone to see.
They are already making the 9mm rounds. The one they mentioned will be available later. Right now only 9mm.
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