Pentagon to adopt uniform rules on guns.

[The Realist]

For those of you who do not believe or understand the "gangs" in the military thing. It is not about gangs forming, it is about existing gangs sending members into the military for education and training. I served 20 years and retired from the Marine Corps, and as a Staff NCO I attended training where we were briefed by CID/NCIS (the real guys not the fake TV show crap) on this VERY real situation. So to sum it up the military has better information than a bunch of people sitting at keyboards venting. The military also has some VERY good reasons to prohibit most active duty from carrying on base.

 

[Cocked _and_Locked]

So to sum it up the military has better information than a bunch of people sitting at keyboards venting. The military also has some VERY good reasons to prohibit most active duty from carrying on base.

Overseas SOFA rules, jurisdiction issues, the list goes on.

This would also be why the keyboard commandos around here seem to be experts on many other subjects as well.

 

[fudo]

+1. That pretty much says it all. I have nothing further to add.

+2+

 

[Cocked _and_Locked]

Originally Posted by utimmer43:
+1. That pretty much says it all. I have nothing further to add.

+2+

Excellent. Now back to reality. The Pentagon's "uniform rules on guns" will have little if anything to do with changing the state of concealed carry restrictions on base. What it will do is standardize the rules, procedures and processes across the services making them easier to implement and enforce as we go to more joint base ops and things like that become more prevalent in the future.

You can go back to to fussing and fuming about your 2A rants now. leasantry:

 

[Oldgrunt]

"Ain't gonna happen"

If it hasn't become more than obvious by now, it is doubtful that everyone on here is going to agree about the ability of military personnel to CCW on post. I, like many others, would like to carry there but doubt that one will ever see the time when it will be possible. There are many reasons why CCW should be allowed but there are more reasons for not allowing it. In a combat zone, we had our weapons with us at all times and as much ammunition as we could carry. There was always the imminent threat of being hit, consequently, we stayed prepared. That was war. What that raghead Maj. Hassan did in Texas was reprehensible but that does not, by any means, compare to a combat situation and the necessity of being armed constantly. Whatever rules and regulations are developed by DOD, I very seriously doubt you will ever see the authorization of CCW there. Ain't gonna happen!

 

[PDawg]

1. The military is run by a bunch of civilian politicians, that think they know what is best for us. We will never be able to carry a concealed weapon, let alone a personal concealed weapon.

2. The simple fix for incidents such as Ft. Hood is to post Military Police (MP)in all areas where large groups of Soldiers/Civilians congregate. They do this now already during concerts etc.

3. Since there are probably not enough MP's to accomplish this goal, assign these places as an additional duty to units. It would be very easy to do the extra training required to have armed Soldiers standing Guard Duty at auditoriums and places of large gatherings.

While this doesn't help you on the drive to work and back, it would fix the immediate problem of security of Soldiers/ Civilians going about daily business on post.

 

[S&W645]

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While this doesn't help you on the drive to work and back, it would fix the immediate problem of security of Soldiers/ Civilians going about daily business on post.

Dad goes to the Navy branch hospital 130 miles from here every 3 months. During that time I have to leave the guns at home. 20 minutes on base, 6 hours driving plus off base shopping and lunch. Gate guard last trip ( USMC ) didn't even have a sidearm. Dad ( E-9, CTMCM Ret. ) had to stay qualified with the 1911 .45 for 26 years while in and had at hand far worse things than that. After retiring he worked his way up to #3 person in charge of 2 nuke power plants. With training which included working on equipment inside the reactor containment building. You'd think he could be trusted.

As for me, the FBI has a file that dates one day less than I am old. The gov't at times has allowed me unescorted access to Navy Weapons Centers, DOE nuke sites, DRMO sites, and NASA KSC. And entrance to a site that won't be named but no ID tag visible could mean weapons free for the roving guards inside the building. I'd think by now ( nearly 56 years ) they'd know if I could be trusted.

Some base exchanges are even selling guns so that says that times are changing. Hopefully for the better.

 

[oldbanjo]

I worked 27 1/2 years for the Navy and traveled 45 min to work, when working nights I would check my Browning Shotgun and Shells at the Police Station on Base, in the morning I would pick up my Gun and go Hunting. I never had a problem with anyone. I think most Military should be allowed to at least have Guns in their cars, and anyone with permit should be allowed to carry. I know Cops that shouldn't have Guns.

 

[Oldgrunt]

For those of you who do not believe or understand the "gangs" in the military thing. It is not about gangs forming, it is about existing gangs sending members into the military for education and training. I served 20 years and retired from the Marine Corps, and as a Staff NCO I attended training where we were briefed by CID/NCIS (the real guys not the fake TV show crap) on this VERY real situation. So to sum it up the military has better information than a bunch of people sitting at keyboards venting. The military also has some VERY good reasons to prohibit most active duty from carrying on base.

Realist: I just watched a show on TV tonight about the gangs in the military (that some people deny existing). There is more than enough evidence to prove that gangs do exist today in the military. As you said, some gang members entered the military to gain training and experience, some became gang affiliated while in the military. The program even showed gang signs in Iraq and some active and retired military have amassed evidence to prove that there are gangs in the military. Funny, DOD refused to be interviewed for this program. Given the above, I still do not believe the military will ever sanction CCW on post.:no:

 

[Nightmare45]

While serving in the 60's in AZ, had both hunting rifles and shotgun as well as pistol stored with AP, would check them out on leaving base and check them in on return do not know if that is still a policy but was then.

 

[vettefreak]

You can store POWs (personally owned weapons) in the unit arms room if you live in tbe barracks.

 

[mappow]

Realist: I just watched a show on TV tonight about the gangs in the military (that some people deny existing). There is more than enough evidence to prove that gangs do exist today in the military. As you said, some gang members entered the military to gain training and experience, some became gang affiliated while in the military. The program even showed gang signs in Iraq and some active and retired military have amassed evidence to prove that there are gangs in the military. Funny, DOD refused to be interviewed for this program. Given the above, I still do not believe the military will ever sanction CCW on post.:no:

Saw the same program, I believe it was NATGEO or Discovery. I still believe that OC on base by NCO's would assist in BASE/POST security. What part of ARMED FORCES does not resonant in the gray matter?

No offense intend toward you Oldgrunt.

 

[Oldgrunt]

Saw the same program, I believe it was NATGEO or Discovery. I still believe that OC on base by NCO's would assist in BASE/POST security. What part of ARMED FORCES does not resonant in the gray matter?

No offense intend toward you Oldgrunt.

None taken.:biggrin:

 

[vettefreak]

Yes, please let me carry, we have had a murder or 2 and a drive by on base in the last week or so....