And if folks allow school officials to use the brazen tactic of unnecessarily locking down the school and all that entails because they don't like that someone is legally exercising their right to bear arms...If you can’t refute the message attack the messenger. If that isn’t a rule for radicals it should be.
Without dignifying the comments regarding how seriously I took my oath of enlistment with a response let me state again that for a gun owner to state that not being allowed to open carry in a school somehow places him on par with Emmet Till or Medger Evers is ludicrous and that was my original point.
As for the open carry in school which isn’t the same as demanding the basic human dignity of being allowed to sit down and eat as an equal. Like it or not the school administration is fully within their rights to lock down the school when someone shows up with a gun and if you show up know a gun knowing that’s what’s going to happen just to make a point you are at fault
I firmly believe in the constitution.
I also follow the law and with hopes that the law is following the constitution.
But I also have regard for how my actions affect other people. I try to be considerate of other people.
I don't chit-chat during worship services or at the movies just because I can.
I don't drive 45 mph down the highway just because I can.
I do not live my life with the attitude that I can live it how I want and to hell with everyone else.
I'm a private person but interact with my community. I do not choose to live in isolation.
Being a good citizen is a complex thing.
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Another tree humping troll who thinks we should all leave our scary guns at home so as not to spook the herd...
Like it or not the school administration is fully within their rights to lock down the school when someone shows up with a gun and if you show up know a gun knowing that’s what’s going to happen just to make a point you are at fault
If you do not have a child in school right now, you cannot put yourself in the places of parents who live with the fear that another shooting will happen - in their school.
Suppose you had a little girl in the second grade and hear that some guy was roaming the halls with a .45 at his side. Would you be so complacent as to assume that he was merely exercising his 2A rights...
Perhaps an immediate lock down is an overreaction but consider that the reason for doing so is to protect the children, not to further the agenda of an anti-gun principal.
I don't carry a gun to make a point. I carry a gun to protect myself and, more importantly, my family. What you are telling me is that I should not carry my gun for the protection of my family because of the emotional reaction that someone else might have to it, or because of the possibility of some politicians making it illegal. That simply is not going to happen. The lives of my family are more important to me than someone else's emotional reactions or potential government legislation.Like it or not the school administration is fully within their rights to lock down the school when someone shows up with a gun and if you show up know a gun knowing that’s what’s going to happen just to make a point you are at fault
You are of course right in everything you say, but I think Eidolon is completely wrong on another point too, that the schools are "fully within their rights" to put a campus on lock-down when an OC'er is seen on or near the campus. The OP in this thread is about a school district in MI, and MI has a state preemption law that works fine everywhere else in the state except for that one general jurisdiction, at least as-reported by ezkl2230. Government entities don't have *rights*, they have authorities, and the semantic difference is not insignificant. They have neither the right or the authority to make up rules that the state has preempted them from making up.
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It is my estimation that the entire progressive agenda of brainwashing the kids to believe that guns are scary and only bad people who don't submit to authority carry them would fail if the parents of some of the kids (that the kids themselves know aren't bad guys) were able to bring guns to school with impunity. It would show how impotent the school officials actually are so the officials have hit upon the sneaky way of lock downs to prove to the kids how much power the school officials have. And the kids will interpret that as power over the kids AND the kid's parents. Imagine how a kid feels when he/she realizes that the teacher/school has the power and authority to control not only them but their parents too.I fail to see why there is any concern on the part of the school officials in MI regarding the presence of a gun in the school. Only CPL holders are allowed to bring a firearm into the school in MI, right? Isn't the purpose of the CPL to ensure that the person who has the CPL is not a criminal? Isn't that why they enacted the CPL law? Then, since they only allow CPL holders to carry a firearm in the school, that means that only those people that the exact same government that runs the school has vetted as a "good guy" will be carrying the gun in the school. So why are they concerned at all about the guy with the gun in the school building? The guy with the gun must have a CPL, and to have a CPL, the guy with the gun must be a good guy and not a criminal. That's what the law says. So why is there any concern by the school officials?
Oh wait - you mean bad people still bring guns to school to shoot people? Oh, well, heck, we need to put a stop to that. We need to make it illegal for the CPL holders to bring a gun into a school.....
I fail to see why there is any concern on the part of the school officials in MI regarding the presence of a gun in the school. Only CPL holders are allowed to bring a firearm into the school in MI, right? Isn't the purpose of the CPL to ensure that the person who has the CPL is not a criminal? Isn't that why they enacted the CPL law? Then, since they only allow CPL holders to carry a firearm in the school, that means that only those people that the exact same government that runs the school has vetted as a "good guy" will be carrying the gun in the school. So why are they concerned at all about the guy with the gun in the school building? The guy with the gun must have a CPL, and to have a CPL, the guy with the gun must be a good guy and not a criminal. That's what the law says. So why is there any concern by the school officials?
Oh wait - you mean bad people still bring guns to school to shoot people? Oh, well, heck, we need to put a stop to that. We need to make it illegal for the CPL holders to bring a gun into a school.....
Carrying a gun always, always represents the threat to use that gun to kill or maim another. That, after all, is why these people carry their guns.
Here is the bottom line the way I see it. I am not responsible for other people's feelings. I am responsible with complying with state and federal law. How other people feel about me caring a gun quite frankly doesn't matter, it's their problem. So the school completely over reacting to an adult acting in a legal manner and exercising their rights is out of line, and they need to revist their policies.
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Sounds good in theory how did it work out with Starbucks and Open carry in California? Have you ever heard of the Mulford Act?
So, let's apply your theory to open carry in a school in MI. According to you, citizens in MI should not open carry in schools in MI, because if they do, it will become illegal and then once it becomes illegal they won't be able to open carry in the school that you say they should not be carrying in anyway. It's so clear to me now, I don't know how I didn't see the perfect logic in that before. And, on top of that...if they don't open carry in the schools in MI because it might be made illegal if they do then the infringement of the citizens' rights by the government cannot possibly come into question because they voluntarily did not carry in the school - and that is such a better condition to be in; again, according to your theory - it is so much better to voluntarily refrain from doing something out of fear of government action than to actually have the government pass legislation against it (or a private business ban it on their property).
Well... this isn't a school yet here is the result of folks open carrying.. including one person openly carrying a slung shotgun... in a library and how that worked out in court.Like I said let's see how this plays out
Sounds good in theory how did it work out with Starbucks and Open carry in California? Have you ever heard of the Mulford Act?
All you have to do is look at what open carry got them in California. A bunch of folks went around shoving open carry in people's faces and got their right to do so taken away.
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