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JUNE 12, 2013
Obama ‘Strongly Objects’ to Religious Liberty Amendment

6/12/2013 4:02:00 PM - Todd Starnes

The Obama Administration “strongly objects” to a proposed amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act that would have protected the religious rights of soldiers – including evangelical Christian service members who are facing growing hostility towards their religion.

The amendment was authored by Rep. John Fleming, R-La. It would have “required the Armed Forces to accommodate ‘actions and speech’ reflecting the conscience, moral, principles or religious beliefs of the member.”

The Obama Administration said the amendment would have a “significant adverse effect on good order, discipline, morale, and mission accomplishment.”

“With its statement, the White House is now endorsing military reprimands of members who keep a Bible on their desk or express a religious belief,” Fleming told Fox News. “This administration is aggressively hostile towards religious beliefs that it deems to be politically incorrect.”

Fleming introduced the amendment after a series of high-profile incidents involving attacks on religious liberty within the military- including an Air Force officer who was told to remove a Bible from his desk because it might give the impression he was endorsing a religion.

He said there are other reports of Christian service members and chaplains being punished for their faith.

The Air Force censored a video created by a chaplain because it include the word “God.” The Air Force feared the word might offend Muslims and atheists.

A service member received a “severe and possibly career-ending reprimand” for expressing his faith’s religious position about homosexuality in a personal religious blog.

An enlisted service member received a career-ending punishment for sending personal invitations to his promotion party which mentioned that he would be providing Chick-fil-A sandwiches due to his respect for the Defense of Marriage Act.

A senior military official at Fort Campbell sent out a lengthy email officially instructing officers to recognize “the religious right in America” as a “domestic hate group” akin to the KKK and Neo-Nazis because of its opposition to homosexual behavior.

A chaplain was relieved of his command over a military chapel because, consistent with DOMA’s definition of marriage, he could not allow same-sex weddings to take place in the chapel.

An enlisted service member was threatened and denied promotion by a senior NCO for expressing – during a personal conversation – his religious belief in support of traditional marriage.

Last month Coast Guard Rear Admiral William Lee told a National Day of Prayer audience that religious liberty was being threatened by Pentagon lawyers and service members are being told to hide their faith in Christ.

“Leaders like myself are feeling the constraints of rules and regulations and guidance issued by lawyers that put us in a tighter and tighter box regarding our constitutional right to express our religious faith,” he said.

Fleming said the purpose of his amendment is to clarify ambiguities in the Pentagon’s policies.

“The bottom line is the military is bending over backwards to remove – even in the case of chaplains – expressions of faith and conscience,” Fleming said.

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, called the Obama Administration's edict a "chilling suppression of religious freedom."

"The Obama administration has joined forces with those who are attacking the religious freedoms of those who serve in our Armed Services," Perkins said. "The Administration's opposition to Rep. Fleming’s religious freedom amendment reveals that this administration has gone beyond accommodating the anti-Christian activists who want to remove any vestige of Christianity from the military, to aiding them by blocking this bipartisan measure."

More than 167,000 Americans have signed FRC petitions in the wake of religious liberty attacks within the military.

“The effects of this chilling suppression of religious freedom is driving faith underground in our military and will eventually drive it out," Perkins said. "This not only deprives those who serve of the benefits that flow from religious participation, but it undermines the moral foundation of the worlds most powerful military. This should concern everyone."

Fleming said his amendment, which has bipartisan support, would have protected the free speech rights of men and women in uniform.

But the White House said the change would limit the discretion of commanders to address “potentially problematic speech.”

“That is an outrageous position, but it’s what I’ve come to expect from an administration that is aggressively hostile toward religious beliefs that it deems politically incorrect,” Fleming said.

He said the president has at times shown hostility in general for expression of religious beliefs.

“Now that’s beginning to be reflected in the Pentagon itself,” he warned. “We need to protect the free speech of the brave warriors who fight to safeguard our liberties and I hope Congress will reject this blatant White House Attack on religious freedom.”
 

Obama "Strongly Objects" to Religious Liberty Amendment....

Probably no issue with them having a Koran on their stand though.
 
Probably no issue with them having a Koran on their stand though.
Nor a Bible. But that's not the issue. The issue is the arrogantly self-righteous evangelicals being compelled to spread their version of religion to everyone in sight, in person, online or anywhere else.

They need to mind their own business or their arse is out.

You think Christians deserve more rights for protecting their POV than anyone else?
 
He said there are other reports of Christian service members and chaplains being punished for their faith.
What he didn't say was they were using their religion as a social, political or professional weapon against others.
 
Probably no issue with them having a Koran on their stand though.
Nor a Bible. But that's not the issue. The issue is the arrogantly self-righteous evangelicals being compelled to spread their version of religion to everyone in sight, in person, online or anywhere else.

They need to mind their own business or their arse is out.

You think Christians deserve more rights for protecting their POV than anyone else?

Your missing the point kwimby, and quite defensively. I don't think one religion should be pushed over another. But the president has pretty much proclaimed that if you so much as look wrong at a Muslim, you will be prosecuted for a hate crime. I fall in the camp that all religions should be protected. You know, being free. I'm pretty sure the Civil Rights Act of 1964 made it unlawful for an employer(federal government in this case) to "fail to refuse to hire or to discharge any individual, or to otherwise discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions or privileges or employment, because of such individual's race, color, RELIGION, sex or national origin."

The problem is the president loves to abuse our laws in any way that fits his personal agenda. Protecting Christians is clearly not part of his agenda.
 
Obama "Strongly Objects" to Religious Liberty Amendment....

I've been in for 3 years now and have never seen any of this. Other than wedding rings, the only jewelry allowed to be worn in basic was a religious chain (crucifix, rosary, Star of David) and if somebody told you to take it off, they were quick to reprimand that person. I support everybody's right to express their religion, but that doesn't mean I want to be proselytized to constantly. I have my own set of beliefs and I don't need you harassing me with yours constantly. Being told, you can't have a bible on your desk is ridiculous. Being told you can't walk around trying to convert people while in the military is not.
 
I've been in for 3 years now and have never seen any of this.
That's because it is just some FUD posted to rile up local yokels here.

Still hasn't cited a source. Probably because it either doesn't exist or is embarrassingly lacking in credibility - like he's just making this shyt up.
 
yeah lets all fight regardless of the fact that the bible torah and qran all say the same thing. looks like obama managed to do what he set out to do...divide the opposition.
 
That's because it is just some FUD posted to rile up local yokels here.

Still hasn't cited a source. Probably because it either doesn't exist or is embarrassingly lacking in credibility - like he's just making this shyt up.

looks like the pot is calling the kettle black again. shame on you boy
 
I've been in for 3 years now and have never seen any of this. Other than wedding rings, the only jewelry allowed to be worn in basic was a religious chain (crucifix, rosary, Star of David) and if somebody told you to take it off, they were quick to reprimand that person. I support everybody's right to express their religion, but that doesn't mean I want to be proselytized to constantly. I have my own set of beliefs and I don't need you harassing me with yours constantly. Being told, you can't have a bible on your desk is ridiculous. Being told you can't walk around trying to convert people while in the military is not.

Must make it interesting for the chaplains huh.

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Nor a Bible. But that's not the issue. The issue is the arrogantly self-righteous evangelicals being compelled to spread their version of religion to everyone in sight, in person, online or anywhere else.

They need to mind their own business or their arse is out.

You think Christians deserve more rights for protecting their POV than anyone else?

Now kwimby...go back and read your own post. Now who is being arrogantly self righteous. There is only universal truth and moral law. Can be only one. If there can be many then you need to obey my moral truth and come wash my car. Also bring all your stuff to me so I don't have to come and take it. My moral truth says I can beat you down and steal everything you own. There are not 2 or 3 or even 4. Only one...and guess what...it is not yours. You probably would not recognize the virtue and reasoning behind a moral law if it bit you on the ass. BTW that goes for everyone else on this forum that holds the values (or lack there of) that kwimby holds. Evangelicals are not forcing you to believe anything...we are saying don't force us to believe that 2 dudes having anal sex should be sanctioned in a church. Do you know what I mean kwimby...if not get that thing out of you mouth and ask what I mean.
 
The military "war on religion" is nothing more than a standard and predictable--and completely fictional--rallying slogan.
Just to quote one of the few bits of succinctly accurate information in this thread so far.

Thanks for that!
 
Nor a Bible. But that's not the issue. The issue is the arrogantly self-righteous evangelicals being compelled to spread their version of religion to everyone in sight, in person, online or anywhere else.

They need to mind their own business or their arse is out.

You think Christians deserve more rights for protecting their POV than anyone else?

Kwimby: I am a Christian and when a religious discussion arises, I consider that to be part of my business. I don't consider myself to be an arrogant, self-righteous evangelical who is compelled to spread my version of religion to everyone insight. On the contrary, I have been taught to show my religion by example, not just standing out and "Bible thumping." Generally, I don't like to have "disagreements" online or any where else. I much prefer discussions where one has the opportunity to express themselves and their beliefs in a calm manner without getting into a gunfight. I do not believe that Christians have more right to their belief than anyone else but, I do believe that, as long as my belief does no harm to anyone else, I should have the right to express it. That, however, is no longer the case and preference is/has been given to Muslims which is indicative how Islam is spreading through our country. Could it be that our POTUS is a Muslim? He denies it but I personally think different. That is a major contributor to our problems. If you don't believe in God, that's OK. I will not be the one to judge you for your decision. Contrary to your opinion, I believe there is someone who will, in your future, but that is something you will have to settle with Him, not me. There has been enough written on these forums that everyone who reads them is aware of God and the Bible and some believe while others don't. That is one's personal choice and, if what we have been writing is true, there will be a lot of people "weeping and gnashing their teeth."
 
Atheist with strong moral compass and values here. Doing good does not require any religion at all. Nor does being christian assure goodness. (History is replete with amoral acts perpetrated by christians, often in the name of christianity). How about something novel: live and let live...respect the morals and values that lead to not bothering those who want to be left alone--and to keeping religion out of schools, science, medicine, and government.

nosreme: I have always given you credit in your claim to be an atheist because you have always presented yourself as having made a conscious decision based on what you have personally experienced in life. I will disagree with you somewhat on your statement that doing good does not require any religion. If it wasn't for religion, on what would you base the goodness of your action? You would obviously have to have some moral standard to determine what is good or bad. There have been many amoral acts by those who profess to be Christian and other religions. It isn't necessarily the religion that is bad, more those who commit the amoral acts in the name of religion. One thing I have learned through reading about our government and religion is that there has always been an intended biblical function of civil government and, consequently, we have always been considered a Christian nation (which has been verified through Supreme Court decisions). Our loss of biblical functions has caused us to lay aside our God-ordained responsibilities in the family, churches and schools. This has resulted in a civil government which is continually growing and takes on responsibilities reserved for us at the expense of loss of freedoms. Civil government will then tyrannize and exploit us through the use of laws never meant to be used by those we have elected. Today is a great example of how that is and has happened. God, the person in which you do not believe, has defined the limits of our government and, by ignoring Him, we have lost our moral headings. I have said all that to only say that there is no way you can keep God and religion out of schools, science, medicine and government. Other than that, I still respect your decision to not believe.
 
Atheist with strong moral compass and values here. Doing good does not require any religion at all. Nor does being christian assure goodness. (History is replete with amoral acts perpetrated by christians, often in the name of christianity). How about something novel: live and let live...respect the morals and values that lead to not bothering those who want to be left alone--and to keeping religion out of schools, science, medicine, and government.

I will disagree with you somewhat on your statement that doing good does not require any religion. If it wasn't for religion, on what would you base the goodness of your action? You would obviously have to have some moral standard to determine what is good or bad.

I'm sorry, did you really just say, in your own words, that without religion you can't be a good person?

Damn, I guess Mark Twain, Thomas Edison, Stephen Hawking, Sigmund Freud, Marie Curie, and thousands of other scientists, philanthropists, and all around good people must've actually been total assholes then.

A moral compass in no way relies upon the belief in some mythical deity. Yes, some people get it from that, but to say that your faith is the only possible thing to base your morals on is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard. The bible has some good lessons I it, I'm one of the few atheists I know that have read the thing from cover to cover. But IMO, believing everything you read in in the bible because somebody said to, is like believing everything you read on the Internet.

BTW, I'm a French Model. Bon Jour.
 
nosreme: If it isn't already obvious, I am neither a legal scholar nor a theologian. I am a Christian who struggles in a world which is becoming more godless and rapidly deteriorating (at least in my opinion) with each passing day. I was always complacent, like most people today, and never really took notice of what has been happening
to our country. I had an epiphany of sorts I guess that awakened me to just how evil and corrupt we have become in our forms of government and daily lives within the general populace. We, as a people, have lost all moral bearings, which I personally attribute to the elimination of God in our lives, and are living contrary to the will of God.
I have never found belief in God to be difficult. I take the Bible for what it says, and yes, Levitical laws as in the Old Testament. Those were tough laws and would have
definitely been a test of one's belief and character. When Jesus Christ came on the scene, those laws were negated to a point and he became our Savior and took our
sins upon Himself. I find all of this so easy to believe for several reasons. It was all prophesized in the Bible; the prophecies of the Bible are coming true; everything happening today is part of the prophecies which are being proven; and given the accuracy of the Bible thus far, I can not disbelieve in a God who has authored a book that has so changed the world. It's power is so strong that it and God are being fought by evil which will never triumph. Your mention of being punished by hellfire is only a consequence
of refusing to accept God, a decision given to you by His gift of free will. The only one condemning one to hell is that person only, the person made the choice and God
allowed it. nosreme, it is apparent that you are a well educated man and probably made many scholarly achievements in your career. Have you ever considered that maybe you have let your education blind you to something so easily discerned? Anyway, I do enjoy chatting with you and don't mind getting my chimes dinged if you disagree with me. And again, I respect you for your decision.
 

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