apvbguy
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here ya go, here is the proof that your "ivy" education means diddly squat, you are hereby proven to be 100% wrong and that you are obviously inept and incompetent to be giving advice to anyone regarding firearms law in NY
from How to Buy a Gun in New York City: 8 Steps (with Pictures)
How to Buy a Gun in New York City
To buy a gun in New York City, you must first seek authorization from the New York License Division office by filling out a Handgun Purchase Authorization form. After they have approved your request to buy a gun, you can then purchase a handgun from any licensed handgun dealer. After you have purchased your new handgun, you will be required to return to the License Division with your new handgun to have the handgun's make, model, and serial number recorded on your handgun license. If you do not already have a handgun license, you must first complete the Handgun License Application and turn it in to the License Division with the applicable fees to gain the clearance and authorization for buying a handgun.
for nassau and suffolk counties from
STEPS ON PURCHASING A FIREARM - Newbie's Unite! - Long Island Firearms
III. Purchasing Handguns
Overview: It is illegal for anyone who is not licensed in New York to possess a handgun. In order to possess a handgun, you must apply and be approved for a pistol license. In Nassau County, you apply at the Pistol License Section at 1490 Franklin Ave. in Mineola. The forms required and the instructions needed are available at this link: http://www.police.na...ation_tandh.htm In Suffolk County, there are two licensing authorities. For the five westernmost towns in Suffolk County applicants should apply to the Suffolk County Police Department Pistol License Bureau at 30 Yaphank Ave. in Yaphank. Forms are available at this link: http://www.co.suffol...onlineforms.htm For the easternmost towns in Suffolk, application must be made to the Suffolk County Sheriff's Department Pistol License Section at 100 Center Drive in Riverhead. The Sheriff's Department doesn't host their forms online, so call them at 631-852-2233 for more information.
It is very important to note that all of the Pistol License Applications/Questionnaires are integrity tests. With basic pedigree information, as well as your fingerprints, the pistol license investigators have the ability to obtain the truthful answer to any of the questions asked on the forms. Falsifying those forms, or not providing information required will result in denial of your license application. Do not place any faith in claims made by others that certain information, i.e. sealed records or certain types of "tickets" need not be reported. Those claims are false. Additionally, we receive questions regarding pistol licensing services who charge a fee to fill the forms out for you. It is our opinion that these services are unnecessary and offer no advantage over filling the forms out yourself.
Our forum has sections dedicated to licensing issues in Nassau County and Suffolk County. It is a valuable resource for anyone who has questions about the application process.
What follows are the steps necessary to purchase a firearm in Nassau and Suffolk County once you have received your pistol license.
A. Purchasing a Handgun in Nassau County
1. Purchasing a handgun at a store: When purchasing a handgun at a store, the actual shopping process is similar to buying a rifle or shotgun, except that you will be asked to show your license before being given a handgun to examine. In purchasing the handgun however, the process is quite different and requires several extra steps.
Obtaining a Purchase Document A purchase document is required in order to add a handgun to your pistol license. To obtain one, the license holder will go to the Pistol license Section at Police Headquarters in Mineola. As quoted from Nassau County's Pistol License Handbook dated April 2010:
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1. Licensees are not required to purchase or own a firearm to receive or maintain a pistol license. However, to purchase a firearm, a Purchase Document ($10 for each firearm) must be obtained from the Nassau County Police Department, Pistol License Section.
2. You may obtain a non-specific firearm Purchase Document, which will be valid for the duration of the calendar year from the date of purchase. You do not need to have a handgun picked out in order to get a Purchase document.
3. You must destroy the document if you do not purchase a weapon when the document expires. Purchase Documents expire on December 31th [sic] of the year it was purchased.
4. Licensees are required to appear at the Pistol Section within ten days (10) business days of purchasing a weapon to amend their license and reflect the purchase with the following:
a. Firearm(s) purchased.
b. White copy of the Purchase Document
c. Bill of sale from the seller
5. If you are purchasing a handgun from another pistol licensee, you can both come in to the Pistol License Section with the unloaded handgun and can conduct the transaction at the counter without a Purchase document. Fee is still $10.00.
2. Purchasing a handgun online. When purchasing a handgun online, the sale can be made somewhat tricky in that handguns must conform to New York State law. A new (as in, not used) handgun must contain a COBIS packet, which contains fired shell casings from that particular handgun. The data from the shell casing is entered into a database that is maintained by the state. If the gun does not contain this packet, it must be made COBIS compliant before it can be legally transferred to a NYS pistol license holder. There will be a fee involved. Also, (struck with the retirement of COBIS in 2012) If the firearm is a semiautomatic, and again, is new, the magazines can not have a capacity of more than 10 rounds (unless sold to a law enforcement officer). As with rifles and shotguns coming from online retailers, a handgun will also need to be sent to an FFL. (Note: most local retail stores in this area have the ability to order pretty much any new firearm on the market today. Check with a local retailer before ordering a handgun online. Although the price of the gun online may seem attractive, once shipping costs, FFL transfer fees, and possible COBIS compliance fees are considered (along with possibility that the magazines aren't being shipped because they are considered "high capacity" in New York) that online price may not seem so attractive anymore.
A used gun bought online does NOT have to be made COBIS compliant. It can be purchased, and sent to an FFL for transfer to a pistol license holder. If the used firearm was manufactured before September 13th, 1994, it is considered pre-ban, and if that particular gun comes with magazines that have a capacity of more than 10 rounds (and were also manufactured prior to September 13th, 1994, or are original to that gun), they can be possessed in New York State.
In essence, purchasing a handgun in Nassau County will contain these steps:
1. Apply for and be approved for a New York State Pistol License issued by Nassau County.
2. Pick out a gun at a local store, or purchase a gun online from either a merchant or an auction site (in which case the gun must be sent to an FFL). Make purchase.
3. Obtain a purchase document from the Pistol License Section at police headquarters in Mineola.
4. Bring the purchase document to the retail store/FFL.
5. FFL/merchant will perform a NICS check. If they receive a "proceed" the handgun is given to the license holder.
6. Within 10 days, the license holder brings the UNLOADED handgun to the Pistol License Section to have it added to their license. This completes the process.
(Note: Steps 2 and three are interchangeable; you can obtain a non specific purchase document, then pick out your gun.)
3. Purchasing a handgun from another Nassau County License holder. The easiest method of accomplishing this is for both parties to meet at the Pistol License Section to have the handgun removed from the seller's license, and added to the buyer's license. Both parties will pay a fee of $10.00.
4. Purchasing a handgun from a Suffolk County License holder. In this instance, what should be an easy transaction has the potential for some confusion. First, obtain a purchase document. Meet with the seller and complete the financial arrangement of the sale. Fill out a bill of sale that contains the make, model, caliber, barrel length, type, capacity and serial number of the gun. Buyer and seller will sign the bill of sale. For your own convenience, we recommend exchanging photocopies of each other's license (situations have arisen where this information was required by one or both of the license issuing authorities, alternately, they may require it be faxed to them). Have the seller complete the information on the purchase document and sign. Return to the Pistol License Section and have the pistol added to your license.
B. Purchasing a Handgun in Suffolk County.
1. Purchasing a handgun at a store: When purchasing a handgun at a store, the actual shopping process is similar to buying a rifle or shotgun, except that you will be asked to show your license before being given a handgun to examine. In purchasing the handgun however, the process is quite different and requires several extra steps.
Obtaining a Purchase Document A purchase document is required in order to add a handgun to your pistol license. To obtain one, the license holder will go to the Pistol License Bureau at Police Headquarters in Yaphank, or the Sheriff's Office in Riverhead.
The Suffolk County Police Department issues purchase documents upon request. Licensees report to the Pistol License Bureau in Yaphank to obtain a purchase document, show their license, fill out an amendment request, pay the fee of $5.00 BY CHECK OR MONEY ORDER ONLY, and are issued a purchase document with a raised seal. Puchase Documents are good for 20 days and are marked with their expiration. An expired purchase document MUST BE RETURNED to the Pistol License Bureau within ten days of expiration.
2. Purchasing a handgun online. When purchasing a handgun online, the sale can be made somewhat tricky in that handguns must conform to New York State law. A new (as in, not used) handgun must contain a COBIS packet, which contains fired shell casings from that particular handgun. The data from those shell casing is entered into a database that is maintained by the state. If the gun does not contain this packet, it must be made COBIS compliant before it can be legally transferred to a NYS pistol license holder. There will be a fee involved. Also, (struck with the end of COBIS in 2012) If the firearm is a semiautomatic, and again, is new, the magazines can not have a capacity of more than 10 rounds (unless sold to a law enforcement officer). As with rifles and shotguns coming from online retailers, a handgun will also need to be sent to an FFL. (Note: most local retail stores in this area have the ability to order pretty much any new firearm on the market today. Check with a local retailer before ordering a handgun online. Although the price of the gun online may seem attractive, once shipping costs, FFL transfer fees, and possible COBIS compliance fees are considered (along with possibility that the magazines aren't being shipped because they are considered "high capacity" in New York) that online price may not seem so attractive anymore.
A used gun bought online does NOT have to be made COBIS compliant. It can be purchased, and sent to an FFL for transfer to a pistol license holder. If the used firearm was manufactured before September 13th, 1994, it is considered pre-ban, and if that particular gun comes with magazines that have a capacity of more than 10 rounds (and were also manufactured prior to September 13th, 1994, or are original to that gun), they can be possessed in New York State.
In essence, purchasing a handgun in Suffolk County will contain these steps:
1. Apply for and be approved for a New York State Pistol License issued by Suffolk County.
2. Pick out a gun at a local store, or purchase a gun online from either a merchant or an auction site (in which case the gun must be sent to an FFL). Make purchase.
3. Obtain a purchase document from the Pistol License Bureau at police headquarters in Yaphank, or the Sheriff's Office in Riverhead.
4. Bring the purchase document to the retail store/FFL.
5. FFL/merchant will perform a NICS check. If they receive a "proceed" the handgun is given to the license holder.
6. Within 10 days, the license holder brings the UNLOADED handgun to the Pistol License Bureau or Sheriff's Office to have it added to their license. This completes the process.
(Note: Steps 2 and three are interchangeable; you can obtain a non specific purchase document, then pick out your gun.)
3. Purchasing a handgun from another Suffolk County License holder, where both buyer and seller have the same licensing agent. The easiest method of accomplishing this is for both parties to meet at the Pistol License Bureau to have the handgun removed from the seller's license, and added to the buyer's license. Both parties will pay a fee of $5.00 (check or money order only!).
4. Purchasing a handgun from a Nassau County License holder, or between Suffolk County Licensees where one party is in the easternmost towns and the other is in the five westernmost towns. First, obtain a purchase document. Meet with the seller and complete the financial arrangement of the sale. Fill out a bill of sale that contains the make, model, caliber, barrel length, type, capacity and serial number of the gun. Buyer and seller will sign the bill of sale. For your own convenience, we recommend exchanging photocopies of each other's license (situations have arisen where this information was required by one or both of the license issuing authorities, alternately, they may require it be faxed to them). Have the seller complete the information on the purchase document and sign. Return to the Pistol License Bureau or Sheriff's Office and have the pistol added to your license.
for westchester county (note the need to have your permit ammended)
Westchester County Clerk
Applying For A Pistol Permit In Westchester County: You can obtain a pistol permit application by visiting our office or submitting a written request including what restriction you may be applying for (Target, Hunting, etc) along with a check or money order for $1.50 for postage and handling. Requests should be sent to the Office of the Westchester County Clerk, Licensing Division, Room 340, 110 Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd., White Plains, NY 10601. Please call (914)995-3088 for more information.
Once you complete your pistol permit application and complied with all the Pistol Permit Application Instructions, please make an appointment with the Westchester County Department of Public Safety, Pistol Permit Unit by calling (914)995-2709.
Application for Amended or Duplicate Pistol License: To add or remove a gun from your license, or to obtain a duplicate pistol license, you must complete an Application For Amended Or Duplicate Pistol License and submit it with the proper fee to the Office of the Westchester County Clerk, Pistol Permit Unit, 110 Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd., White Plains, NY 10601.
