Nevada non-reciprocal with Arizona

[SFC]

What is the deal with Nevada not honoring Arizona CCW? :angry:

I plan on traveling through their state (not by choice) heading north to Idaho making one night in a motel in Nevada. My choice would have been as usual, Utah, but since my stubborn wife made this call without conferring with me first, I have threatened not even going, even though it is for our grand kids. This does present a problem for me as I plan on shooting in Idaho. Does this mean Nevada is off limits to all gun owners from Arizona wanting to shoot and/or compete at one of their firing ranges?

FYI: My gun bag with my guns will be in a separate bag in an SUV and the ammunition will be in another gun bag separate from my gun bag with guns.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Well, considering that Nevada has no law against carrying a loaded handgun in your vehicle and that loaded open carry outside the vehicle is legal in Nevada withOUT a permit, I just don't really see such a huge problem.

 

[farsidefan1]

Nevada is open carry friendly with state preemption laws with the exception of Clark county (basically Las Vegas) which has some grandfather provisions. Google "open carry Nevada" for details

 

[NavyLCDR]

Nevada is open carry friendly with state preemption laws with the exception of Clark county (basically Las Vegas) which has some grandfather provisions. Google "open carry Nevada" for details

The only grandfathered provisions in Clark County are regarding handgun registration and apply only to Clark County residents. There were no grandfather provisions for Clark County regarding carrying firearms by non-residents, those ordinances were made illegal by state preemption.

 

[SFC]

Thanks, I sent an E-Mail to Arizona Department of Public Safety-Arizona Concealed Weapons and Permits Division asking why we honor Nevada's CCW but Nevada does not honor Arizona's CCW. I have a month before leaving and if I do not hear anything from AZDPS-AZCCW withing in a week I will change plans and go through Utah like I have always done in the past. AZ has had this same problem before with Michigan several years back, and a letter to MI stating their Permit Holders were no longer honored. It took about a week and all was squared away.

My firm belief is all we need is the Second Amendment to where each state would honor all 2nd Amendment CCWs, however the government would figure out a way to screw that up as well. We do not need new gun laws, we need to enforce the laws already in place. We do not need separate laws for each state/county or city ordnance, we need one set of laws to cover everything from soup to nuts.

These politicians need to remember bad guys will always have guns doing bad things, good guys need to have the guns to balance out difference. When the bad guys do not know who is carrying a firearm will make our streets safer.

 

[NavyLCDR]

My firm belief is all we need is the Second Amendment to where each state would honor all 2nd Amendment CCWs, however the government would figure out a way to screw that up as well. We do not need new gun laws, we need to enforce the laws already in place. We do not need separate laws for each state/county or city ordnance, we need one set of laws to cover everything from soup to nuts.

Between the three states, NV, ID and UT, UT honors the 2nd Amendment the least. Both Nevada and Idaho state laws says you have to pay for the government's permission to conceal a firearm on your person. However, without the government's permission you can openly carry a loaded handgun in your vehicle or on your person in public. The only difference is that Idaho will accept your tax receipt (weapons permit) from Arizona for paying for the government's permission to conceal a handgun on your person, and Nevada won't.

Utah, on the other hand, won't let you carry a loaded handgun on your person outside a vehicle in public without paying for the government's permission to do so. So Utah violates the 2nd Amendment more than either ID or NV. So why do you want to support Utah over Nevada? Oh - it's because Utah recognizes your elite status membership card that you paid the government for which has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment and Nevada won't.

Concealed weapons permits violate the 2nd Amendment. Having to pay for one is an infringement on the right to bear arms. You stated that you were going to carry your guns in a bag in the SUV anyway with the ammo separate, so you don't seem to be all that interested in being able to defend yourself, so I don't see what the problem is with Nevada.

 

[phil57]

I agree that any fee is a infringement on my 2nd amendment rights but I also believe we are stuck with the tax. I am more upset that as a US citizen my rights can be infringed by any state. I am a citizen of the US not any one state. I believe in state rights but not their right to ignore the US constitution.


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[echo19]

Nevada no longer reciprocates due to Arizona's change to their CCW requirements. Arizona CCW used to be a 16 hour class then became much less. It no longer meets Nevada's requirement or baseline. That's what I've been told.

 

[SFC]

I contacted the Nevada CCW Permit Department to find that if I planned on traveling through Nevada with firearms and not break the law, I would need to travel to Nevada and take a Non-Resident 8 hour class. I decided to cancel my reservations at the casino and make new reservations in St George, Utah, where Arizona, Idaho, Montana and Utah all have reciprocity with each other.

Believe it was easier than being stopped in Nevada and breaking the law where I would lose my firearms, have a felony on my records and possibly jail time, not to mention the cost of all this after the fact.

It is far better to do your homework when traveling with firearms through any state.

Thanks
SFC

 

[mojoman]

Between the three states, NV, ID and UT, UT honors the 2nd Amendment the least. Both Nevada and Idaho state laws says you have to pay for the government's permission to conceal a firearm on your person. However, without the government's permission you can openly carry a loaded handgun in your vehicle or on your person in public. The only difference is that Idaho will accept your tax receipt (weapons permit) from Arizona for paying for the government's permission to conceal a handgun on your person, and Nevada won't.

Utah, on the other hand, won't let you carry a loaded handgun on your person outside a vehicle in public without paying for the government's permission to do so. So Utah violates the 2nd Amendment more than either ID or NV. So why do you want to support Utah over Nevada? Oh - it's because Utah recognizes your elite status membership card that you paid the government for which has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment and Nevada won't.

Concealed weapons permits violate the 2nd Amendment. Having to pay for one is an infringement on the right to bear arms. You stated that you were going to carry your guns in a bag in the SUV anyway with the ammo separate, so you don't seem to be all that interested in being able to defend yourself, so I don't see what the problem is with Nevada.

So Navy, I don't want to sound like a broken recorder but I do go the Las Vegas a few times because we have time share there and would like to take my weapon, the wife and I mostly drive there so I can carry inside the car loaded on my person and carry open correct?

 

[NavyLCDR]

So Navy, I don't want to sound like a broken recorder but I do go the Las Vegas a few times because we have time share there and would like to take my weapon, the wife and I mostly drive there so I can carry inside the car loaded on my person and carry open correct?

Yes, that is correct. Just make sure the handgun is not concealed on the person. I have no idea what SFC's fixation with CCW permits being the only legal way to carry/transport firearms is. He even talks about wondering why Arizona recognizes Nevada's permit - well, considering that no permit is required to carry concealed in Arizona to begin with.... He has an interesting signature line considering his fixation with government permission slips.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/nevada.pdf

 

[Happybattles]

I see this post is from 2014 - so this might be redundant.

NV now recognizes AZ CCW permits. And Clark County (Las Vegas) has lost their right to register handguns.

 

[LVLouisCyphre]

Nevada does not have reciprocity with anyone; it's recognition.

When dealing with interstate carrying and possession of firearms, you have over fifty sets of laws to deal with plus federal law and if there's no State preemption law; county and city codes.

First of all let's get our terminology correct here. The difference between reciprocity and recognition has been a major pet peeve of mine. Nevada does not and has never had reciprocity with anyone. Nevada has a recognition statute. Reciprocity is a contractual agreement between two States to provide a reciprocal privilege, certification, licensing or permitting in the interest of promotion of interstate commerce between the reciprocating States. This is not only done with CCWs but also licenses pertaining to the insurance, medical and other fields that have some sort of licensing process. If Nevada had reciprocity, resident Nevada CFP holders would be legally be able to CCW in South Carolina.

What Nevada has had since our recognition statute originally passed back in 2007, the recognition criteria was;

• Statutory issuance (background check and training with a live fire qualification) requirements and license or permit term substantially similar or greater to Nevada.
• Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs Association has veto power over a State being added to the list
• 24/7 online verification of a recognized State's license or permit holder online via NLETS.

This last summer the amended Nevada recognition statute went into effect with the current recognition criteria being;

• Any statutory training requirement
• 24/7 online verification of a State's license or permit holder database via NLETS.
• Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs Association has no veto power over a State being added to the Nevada CCW recognition list.

If you are not a resident of Nevada, as of today Arizona is the non-resident permit to obtain if you wish to legally CCW in Nevada. Do not waste your money on a Nevada CFP unless you live here or need the NICS exemption in the event you purchase long guns here as a non-resident.

One of the things the OP neglected to do his due diligence on is that AZ is a right to carry State and also a "we honor all" State. The only thing an AZ CWP gets you is to legally carry a concealed firearm in an establishment that serves alcohol for on premises consumption and a well honored permit for traveling purposes within the US. AZ is one of the better recognized CCWs in the US and presently the best one if you're an AZ resident as evidenced by having a valid AZ driver license or State issued ID card and it's the State you filed your income taxes in. The only reason I'm not living in AZ for that benefit is because I refuse to live in a State that has a State income tax.

 

[RedWriter2015]

Great post, net! Thanks. I too favor the Arizona N/R CCW permit for general reciprocity/recognition, as well as initial/renewal permit
costs.

 

[LVLouisCyphre]

Great post, net! Thanks. I too favor the Arizon N/R CCW permit for general reciprocity/recognition.

Thanks.

I've also opened a dialogue with Nevada DPS as to why Florida and Utah weren't added back to the Nevada recognition list. Nevada DPS wrote back that they no longer provide 24/7 online verification of the license/permit holder database via NLETS. I have opened up a dialogue with Florida and Utah issuing authorities; Florida Division of Licensing and Utah BCI. Florida and Utah have not gotten back to me. I suspect that perhaps they have indeed dropped the ball and perhaps done something with respect to access of their respective CCW databases where they don't meet the Nevada recognition statute criteria. We'll know for sure if they don't make the annual Nevada CCW recognition list audit next year by July 1, 2016. Fortunately non-residents have an option with Arizona. Arizona has a liberal training requirement now. Training which would satisfy a Florida license or the standard Utah permit class should be sufficient to apply for an Arizona permit.