Respectfully sir, if you and your fiancee' work in mental health and this lady presented herself as having diminished mental capacity, and posed you no threat, I would hope that your first thought would have been to determine if there was a caretaker with her, that perhaps may have become separated from her. I would hope your focus would shift to the safety and well-being of the lady that was causing all the concern.
Profiling is sometimes frowned upon, but in mental health, one constantly profiles, and profiling can be a life-saver to those gun owners who choose to carry.
I do not know what you expect from a bunch of people on a conceal carry forum. You do what you gotta do and what common sense tells you to do. Precursor, regardless of whether someone is mentally ill etal is to avoid, evade etc. Precursor to doing anything with your firearm is still imminent danger and unless there is a firearm or another weapon, you may be uncomfortable but it is not imminent danger. Personally, in 72 years, I cannot ever recall being in a position that had me confronting someone so unbalanced that discomfort or thoughts of proactive defense ever entered my mind.
do you have any facts, data or cites to bolster this assertion?I know this is a somewhat frequent problem with police officers who kill people with mental disabilities because they haven't been trained to recognize and handle people in that situation.
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I don't think this is sound advice. in this litigious society they could be setting themselves up for massive problems if the disturbed person becomes violent and damages property or injures others, the best advice is to be wary and clear out. I won't even begin to touch the massive issue of mental health issues in the US
I flat out told the guy if he was using that for an excuse, he should make the person "wear a sign".
I guess that you've never spent much time in places like NYC, LA or one of many other larger US cities where encounters with unstable/mentally ill people are almost a daily occurrence
Today I was in a store looking at some books with my fiancee and I noticed a woman acting strangely with one of the other customers. She kept going up to customers and each one became uncomfortable and removed themselves from the conversation. Because of the distance I couldn't hear what was being said but my alarms were going off.
Eventually she approached me and was looking at me but never said anything. I ignored her and she never spoke to me because I didn't acknowledge her. Thing is, my fiancee and I both work in the mental health field and realized that this woman was mentally disabled. However, before I realized this she put me on edge and I began to mentally prepare myself for all scenarios (I was CC'ing at the time). I noticed that another customer became very upset with this lady and began to raise his voice.
The topic I'd like to put out there is this: how do you react to people and maintain your composure until you can determine whether or not someone is a threat or has a disability. This lady had no ill intentions, but watching people approach you and talk to you always sets off alarm bells. Especially for people that can't recognize mental illnesses and disabilities as easily as we can, it seems like they might potentially kill or injure someone over a misunderstanding.
I know this is a somewhat frequent problem with police officers who kill people with mental disabilities because they haven't been trained to recognize and handle people in that situation.
Thoughts?
I am not in the business of saving the world, I am in the business of making sure that I and my loved ones are safe and secure, I'll leave the saving the world stuff to "people" like you.Respectfully, sir, I think it is sound advice.
How many folks have you interacted with who are affected by diminished mental capacity? I spent over a decade working with Veterans in a psych hospital. Perhaps you would also advocate abandoning all those who fail to meet your "safe to interact with" criteria.
I guess you read me wrong. Born in NYC and lived in the NYC area for 62 years. Very different now, I will admit, but that does not change my attitude. I cannot do anything for someone that I do not understand nor even have a medical opinion on. I agree with some replies about looking around for a caregiver, but I get impression that thread writer is talking about those "between the lines"--the mentally whatever, who just roam around with nowhere to go and no one to assist them---Put it all together, I evade and avoid--there is nothing I can do for them unless they get violent with imminent danger to myself--then I can act--other than that, nada.
I am not in the business of saving the world, I am in the business of making sure that I and my loved ones are safe and secure, I'll leave the saving the world stuff to "people" like you.
now go back to whatever libturd forum that sent you here
I agree, evade and avoid is the best tactic to employ, saving the world is best left to the self appointed pros
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