Malfunction Drills

Those malfunctions are rare, whereas auto malfunctions are common.

I wouldn't say that autoloader malfunctions are common I can't remember the last time I had one (actually I just did it was a broken firing pin spring on a 6906 a year or two ago) but when they happen I automatically reduce the malfunction because I've had training and practice on reducing malfunctions and getting back in the fight.
 
Those malfunctions are rare, whereas auto malfunctions are common.

You have some sort of data to back up your claim, right?

You're saying it takes a special class to keep an auto opperating.

No such special class is needed for the revolver. This is yet another advantage the revolver has over autos.

There is no "special class". If you don't know how to avoid an out of battery issue in close contact combat, that just means you have never been properly trained on semi-aoto handguns.
 
There is no "special class". If you don't know how to avoid an out of battery issue in close contact combat, that just means you have never been properly trained on semi-aoto handguns.
"Properly trained on semi-auto handguns" = special class. You just proved my point, you just said you need special training on semi-autos in order to keep the slide from comming out of battery in a fight. Thanks :)

One does not need any such class with revolvers. Simple to opperate, lower maintenence, fewer things to go wrong.

Capacity is a false sense of security since your auto will probably jam on the 1st shot while my revolver will fire every time.
 
Actually there are several issues that can cause a revolver cylinder not to rotate, resulting in a total failure to shoot.

Pawl wear, spring breakage, a warped crane, or even unloading spent brass with the barrel level or pointed down, allowing residue to build up star extractor.

Not failure proof by any means, and yes you need "special training" just like an automatic pistol to know how to correctly handle your firearm.
 
Actually there are several issues that can cause a revolver cylinder not to rotate, resulting in a total failure to shoot.

Pawl wear, spring breakage, a warped crane, or even unloading spent brass with the barrel level or pointed down, allowing residue to build up star extractor.

Not failure proof by any means, and yes you need "special training" just like an automatic pistol to know how to correctly handle your firearm.
The question was of clearing malfunctions, not basic handeling. Please stay on point.
 
You were saying that no special training was needed to manage a revolver, and I disagree with that. Sorry if you find that offensive. Any of these failures will result in a malfunction, and novices - those untrained - will struggle with them. Particularly a fouled star extractor, which is quite common for novice shooters and is certainly a malfunction.
 
You were saying that no special training was needed to manage a revolver, and I disagree with that. Sorry if you find that offensive. Any of these failures will result in a malfunction, and novices - those untrained - will struggle with them. Particularly a fouled star extractor, which is quite common for novice shooters and is certainly a malfunction.
A fouled extractor doesn't come into play until after the shooting is over, after the police report, after your lawyer gets you out of jail, and after you get your gun back so you can then clean it.

In other words, a fouled extractor is beyond the scope of a self defence shooting and thus beyond the scope of this thread and any claim made by any party herein.

Please stay on point.
 
"Properly trained on semi-auto handguns" = special class. You just proved my point, you just said you need special training on semi-autos in order to keep the slide from comming out of battery in a fight. Thanks :)

One does not need any such class with revolvers. Simple to opperate, lower maintenence, fewer things to go wrong.

Capacity is a false sense of security since your auto will probably jam on the 1st shot while my revolver will fire every time.

Wow, what high level of ignorance. Properly trained means exactly what it says, properly trained, as opposed to improperly trained. If you see proper training as some kind of special training class then you have a real problem.

I assume that you belong to those that go to a gun shop, buy a firearm, and then call themselves shooters with zero-to-none training. The "self-taught" class of gun owners who really know nothing, but spout nonsense on Internet forums about guns. Good luck with that.

I have 15,000 rounds through my Glock 19 with one user-induced malfunction during a training class. That single malfunction was due to a wrong, "self-taught" gun handling technique. Thanks to that training class, I don't do that anymore. Tell me again how my Glock 19 jams on the first round, because it hasn't done that yet after firing 1,000 fully loaded magazines through it.

Capacity is no sense of security. It's a backup plan. Your backup plan is what exactly? Do you carry two revolvers (NY reload)? Do you carry speed loaders or speed strips? Or does involve your backup plan praying?
 
The question was of clearing malfunctions, not basic handeling. Please stay on point.

I understand that basic gun handling does not include clearing malfunctions for you, because if you experience a malfunction with your revolver, you are screwed. There is no basic gun handling technique that can help you out.

For semi-autos, basic gun handling does include clearing malfunctions, because it can be done during a gunfight.
 
Wow, what high level of ignorance. Properly trained means exactly what it says, properly trained, as opposed to improperly trained. If you see proper training as some kind of special training class then you have a real problem.

I assume that you belong to those that go to a gun shop, buy a firearm, and then call themselves shooters with zero-to-none training. The "self-taught" class of gun owners who really know nothing, but spout nonsense on Internet forums about guns. Good luck with that.

I have 15,000 rounds through my Glock 19 with one user-induced malfunction during a training class. That single malfunction was due to a wrong, "self-taught" gun handling technique. Thanks to that training class, I don't do that anymore. Tell me again how my Glock 19 jams on the first round, because it hasn't done that yet after firing 1,000 fully loaded magazines through it.

Capacity is no sense of security. It's a backup plan. Your backup plan is what exactly? Do you carry two revolvers (NY reload)? Do you carry speed loaders or speed strips? Or does involve your backup plan praying?
It involves the rifle in my car :)

If you need more than a few rounds, then you need a rifle.

Your fantacy of sticking out a prolonged gun fight with your pea-shooter Glock will get you killed. Get off the X. Get out of there.
 
I understand that basic gun handling does not include clearing malfunctions for you, because if you experience a malfunction with your revolver, you are screwed. There is no basic gun handling technique that can help you out.

For semi-autos, basic gun handling does include clearing malfunctions, because it can be done during a gunfight.
Revolvers don't jam in the first place.

...unles you were negligent. But that's on you, not the gun.
 
It involves the rifle in my car :)

If you need more than a few rounds, then you need a rifle.

Your fantacy of sticking out a prolonged gun fight with your pea-shooter Glock will get you killed. Get off the X. Get out of there.

Great, one of those guys that lives in the fantasy that one can quickly run to the car and grab a rifle. It has zero foundation in reality, though.

You carry a revolver and no backup gun, but you have rifle in the car. This makes zero sense, unless your plan evolves around being lazy and not wanting to carry around so much.

I guess you will be one of those that show up in full battle rattle when the shooting is over.

As for "Get off the X. Get out of there." That may require shooting your way out, like in the Westgate shopping mall attack. At least you have 5 or 6 rounds and one throw with a blunt object at your disposal. :wacko:
 
Thought this was interesting
Take special care with hangfire from a revolver. Do NOT cycle the cylinder; be sure to eject the round after a misfire. A hangfire that occurs in a revolver cylinder, without the cylinder chamber being in battery behind the barrel, will likely do fatal damage to the pistol. Therefore, if a misfire occurs when shooting a revolver, allow some time so a hangfire can safely discharge. If a misfire occurs, remove the round from the pistol if not all ammunition entirely.. Continue reading at: The Complete Guide to Gun Safety - Alien Gear Holsters Blog
 
Great, one of those guys that lives in the fantasy that one can quickly run to the car and grab a rifle. It has zero foundation in reality, though.

You carry a revolver and no backup gun, but you have rifle in the car. This makes zero sense, unless your plan evolves around being lazy and not wanting to carry around so much.

I guess you will be one of those that show up in full battle rattle when the shooting is over.

As for "Get off the X. Get out of there." That may require shooting your way out, like in the Westgate shopping mall attack. At least you have 5 or 6 rounds and one throw with a blunt object at your disposal. :wacko:
y so mad?
 

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