Last Thursday as I was out running some errands, I had just entered the freeway and hit the gas to get into traffic. The highway was busy and moving rapidly. Just as I passed the next exit, there he was, sitting on the side of the road "taking pictures". On came the bubble gum machine and I was nailed doing 76 mph in a 55 zone.
I pulled as far to the right of the shoulder as was possible to give the officer room to approach the car, turned the 4 ways on and placed my hands at 10 and 2 on the wheel.
When the officer arrived he asked for DL and Insurance.
Then as courtesy demands, I advised the officer that I have a CCW permit and that I was armed and told him where my gun was located. I asked him how he would like me to proceed. He said he was cool and asked me what I was carrying.
He then went back to his car and a few minutes later he came back with the ticket. But this is when it became good. He told me that I had handled advising him of my weapon in an excellent manner and that instead of issuing a ticket for 76 in a 55 he was only going to issue a ticket for going 60 in a 55.
Holding a CCW permit saved my bacon. Because I was cited for only going 5 mph over the limit, it was not a moving violation and no points will be accessed on my DL.
Then as courtesy demands, I advised the officer that I have a CCW permit and that I was armed and told him where my gun was located.
Boomboy007:291225 said:Then as courtesy demands, I advised the officer that I have a CCW permit and that I was armed and told him where my gun was located.
Sorry, but I must disagree. First, courtesy demands no such thing. I am unsure whether you were in KC Kansas or Missouri, but neither state requires notification. If you are not directed to exit the vehicle, good sense should tell you NOT to discuss your carrying with the officer. If you are legally carrying, and have no intention of using that firearm on said officer, then little good can come of you bringing it up.
If you want to be courteous, then make a contribution to the police widows and orphans fund. Don't do it by giving up the liberties and freedoms that so many fought, bled, and died in order for you to enjoy. Besides, for every officer who cuts you slack on the ticket, there are five who would rather spread eagle you on the side of the highway to disarm you "for everyone's safety".
Hey boom, threads over two years old, not sure if you are going to get a response.
Hey boom, threads over two years old, not sure if you are going to get a response.
You're an LEO and responded to this preemptive CC notification with kudos. How differently will you Constitutionally respond to a traffic stop issue and discover indirectly that the driver is legally packing? Why do you, as an LEO, want more information into the privacy and property of a U.S. citizen, pertaining to more than the traffic issue to which he is detained?The way you informed him was perfect. I'm an LEO and I love seeing other 'good guys' carrying. Usually I like to talk shop if the person has time or seems friendly but probably not on the side of the freeway like in this case. Keep carryin!
Last Thursday as I was out running some errands, I had just entered the freeway and hit the gas to get into traffic. The highway was busy and moving rapidly. Just as I passed the next exit, there he was, sitting on the side of the road "taking pictures". On came the bubble gum machine and I was nailed doing 76 mph in a 55 zone.
I pulled as far to the right of the shoulder as was possible to give the officer room to approach the car, turned the 4 ways on and placed my hands at 10 and 2 on the wheel.
When the officer arrived he asked for DL and Insurance.
Then as courtesy demands, I advised the officer that I have a CCW permit and that I was armed and told him where my gun was located. I asked him how he would like me to proceed. He said he was cool and asked me what I was carrying.
He then went back to his car and a few minutes later he came back with the ticket. But this is when it became good. He told me that I had handled advising him of my weapon in an excellent manner and that instead of issuing a ticket for 76 in a 55 he was only going to issue a ticket for going 60 in a 55.
Holding a CCW permit saved my bacon. Because I was cited for only going 5 mph over the limit, it was not a moving violation and no points will be accessed on my DL.
Long story short...I was saved a $581 (I was dead wrong) ticket for announcing to the LEO that I was carrying even though I was not legally obligated to do so. He was very appreciative of this gesture, to say the least
Interesting, but why should a reduction in a traffic fine have anything to do with your legal carry conceal status?
I like favors and breaks like anybody else but realize that nothing is ever free. What you did was bolster the LEO's unwarranted and unappointed self importance.
He's a People's servant, remember? His authority is limited, remember? He is sworn to the U.S. Constitution, remember? What makes us want to reduce our inalienable God-given status, voluntarily and unnecessarily, to a tax payer-funded employee? What makes us cajole an employee of the government when the law doesn't require it? Unless Kansas or Missouri requires preemptive declaration that your're legally packin' on a traffic stop, why not consider the alternative - stay quite - discuss only the traffic issue.
We're hindered enough with regulations when compared to the awesome liberty that "Old Document" gives us. We lose it by trying to be nice - nice wasn't a consideration during the 1787 Constitutional Convention. I say all this with respect to you. Thank you.
That reminds of a story told by a trooper friend of mine. He cut a guy a break and wrote him for 10 under. The guy took the ticket to court and stated that he had not been going the speed shown on the ticket, he had been going 10 mph faster. The judge agreed that the ticket was not accurate and threw it out!Interesting, but why should a reduction in a traffic fine have anything to do with your legal carry conceal status?
I like favors and breaks like anybody else but realize that nothing is ever free. What you did was bolster the LEO's unwarranted and unappointed self importance.
He's a People's servant, remember? His authority is limited, remember? He is sworn to the U.S. Constitution, remember? What makes us want to reduce our inalienable God-given status, voluntarily and unnecessarily, to a tax payer-funded employee? What makes us cajole an employee of the government when the law doesn't require it? Unless Kansas or Missouri requires preemptive declaration that your're legally packin' on a traffic stop, why not consider the alternative - stay quite - discuss only the traffic issue.
We're hindered enough with regulations when compared to the awesome liberty that "Old Document" gives us. We lose it by trying to be nice - nice wasn't a consideration during the 1787 Constitutional Convention. I say all this with respect to you. Thank you.
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