Last chance for House Bill 495


rt48

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Last June the Ohio House passed House Bill 495 (Link Removed) which removes the need for a competency certificate for a license renewal and also allows Ohio to recognize the license of any state willing to recognize Ohio's.

The bill has languished in the Ohio Senate due to the summer recess and the Fall campaigning season. The Senate has now scheduled eight sessions to finish this legislative season (Link Removed). If HB 495 isn't voted on during one of these sessions, it is dead and the whole process has to start all over again with the new General Assembly in January.

Please contact your Ohio senator and also Senate President Tom Niehaus. Ask them to move this bill to a vote before the Senate ends its business in December.

You can contact Senate President Niehaus and your state senator at the Ohio Senate web site here:

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Rhino

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495 would also correct the ridiculous definition of a loaded firearm within a vehicle that now exists within Ohio law.
 

dogshawred

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The bill has passed the House and is currently in hearings by the Judiciary Comittee to be sent to the state, on 12-10-2012 AG Mike Dewine addressed the comittee in support of their approving the bill for a Senate vote. Anyone that is concerned should contact the comittee and urge them to approve the bill for Senate vote.
 

Rhino

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And the change to the definition of a loaded firearm within a vehicle will only apply to holders of a concealed carry license.
 

rt48

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And the change to the definition of a loaded firearm within a vehicle will only apply to holders of a concealed carry license.

The changes apply to both although licensees are given wider latitude as to how loaded magazines are carried.
 

rt48

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Using the bill as listed here Link Removed , I have edited it so that the relevant section reads as it will when it takes effect on March 27. (Basically, I removed all the struck through words which are the ones being removed by the bill).

Sec. 2923.16.

(5)(a) "Unloaded" means, with respect to a firearm other than a firearm described in division (K)(6) of this section, that no ammunition is in the firearm in question, no magazine or speed loader containing ammunition is inserted into the firearm in question, and one of the following applies:

(i) There is no ammunition in a magazine or speed loader that is in the vehicle in question and that may be used with the firearm in question.

(ii) Any magazine or speed loader that contains ammunition and that may be used with the firearm in question is stored in a compartment within the vehicle in question that cannot be accessed without leaving the vehicle or is stored in a container that provides complete and separate enclosure.

(b) For the purposes of division (K)(5)(a)(ii) of this section, a "container that provides complete and separate enclosure" includes, but is not limited to, any of the following:

(i) A package, box, or case with multiple compartments, as long as the loaded magazine or speed loader and the firearm in question either are in separate compartments within the package, box, or case, or, if they are in the same compartment, the magazine or speed loader is contained within a separate enclosure in that compartment that does not contain the firearm and that closes using a snap, button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to access the contents or the firearm is contained within a separate enclosure of that nature in that compartment that does not contain the magazine or speed loader;

(ii) A pocket or other enclosure on the person of the person in question that closes using a snap, button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to access the contents.

(c) For the purposes of divisions (K)(5)(a) and (b) of this section, ammunition held in stripper-clips or in en-bloc clips is not considered ammunition that is loaded into a magazine or speed loader.

(6) "Unloaded" means, with respect to a firearm employing a percussion cap, flintlock, or other obsolete ignition system, when the weapon is uncapped or when the priming charge is removed from the pan.

(7) "Commercial motor vehicle" has the same meaning as in division (A) of section 4506.25 of the Revised Code.

(8) "Motor carrier enforcement unit" means the motor carrier enforcement unit in the department of public safety, division of state highway patrol, that is created by section 5503.34 of the Revised Code.

(L) Divisions (K)(5)(a) and (b) of this section do not affect the authority of a person who is carrying a valid concealed handgun license to have one or more magazines or speed loaders containing ammunition anywhere in a vehicle, without being transported as described in those divisions, as long as no ammunition is in a firearm, other than a handgun, in the vehicle other than as permitted under any other provision of this chapter. A person who is carrying a valid concealed handgun license may have one or more magazines or speed loaders containing ammunition anywhere in a vehicle without further restriction, as long as no ammunition is in a firearm, other than a handgun, in the vehicle other than as permitted under any provision of this chapter.
 

txhkman

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Does that mean you can't conceal carry in a car if you're licensed?


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rt48

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Does that mean you can't conceal carry in a car if you're licensed?

I'm not sure which part of this thread you are referring to, but yes licensed individuals can conceal their handguns while in a motor vehicle.

The Ohio law page is seriously out of date and should not be relied on.
 

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