Hammerhead
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No, that's a personal decision. Your opinion is to do as your conscience dictates. Good for you. Don't bust my chops because I don't follow your moral compass.
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No, that's a personal decision. Your opinion is to do as your conscience dictates. Good for you. Don't bust my chops because I don't follow your moral compass.
Hammerhead
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But the ability of the property owner to dictate what is allowable or is not allowable on their premises isn't.
And you didn't answer my question, so I'll repeat it.
What gives a property owner the ability to say that they don't want me smoking in their living room?
Ruger357SP101
Banned
uh...I dont really care?
Know what *I* take offense to ?
Being grouped together by the Brady clan with your type whom they can prove doesnt give a rats ass about anyones rights but their own.
THAT offends the hell out of me.
Clearly you dont.
As I said in another post, you going to bring your porn into a church next just because you have rights?
They asked you NOT to enter with their sign to begin with, pal.
You think we believe you have any integrity to obey a verbal request given your complete disregard of their rights now?
Oh, thats right, youd be trespassing at that point in which case the LAW will now apply.
So its just like I said..you only obey what you HAVE to obey to keep from going to jail.
uh huh...AFTER the fact.
Why didnt you tell them when you went in?
What company are you talking about...give me a website and a phone number or email address, please.
Id like to examine the facts for myself.
Ruger357SP101
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Clearly you have no moral compass.
And yours is affecting the REST of us who know that brady nuts who affect LAW by voting are watching your type so they can accuse ALL of us of being just like you.
Hammerhead
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If you come onto my property, I can ask you to tape this banana to your forehead. If you don't, what can I do? I can't make you. I can only ask that you comply, and if you don't ask you to leave. If you don't, then I can have you removed.
That's the property right. Businesses can request anything. You don't have to comply.
That's the property right. Businesses can request anything. You don't have to comply.
Ruger357SP101
Banned
Nice try but its PRIVATE PROPERTY.
You have the RIGHT on YOUR PROPERTY to tell someone to shut their damned mouth if you dont like what theyre SAYING EVEN THOUGH they have the 1st Amendment right to freedom of speech !
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Ruger357SP101
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You CAN make someone leave your property if they arent complying with your rules.
So this would be alright?
Let's say I'm your house guest for the night. You say I can't smoke in your living room. We all go to bed and I get up at 3AM and fire up a cigar while sitting on your new leather couch, smoke it all and go back to bed.
According to your stance that you have the right to do what you want regardless of what the property owner wishes as long as you don't get caught, it is.
Ruger357SP101
Banned
My ex wife exactly.
The landlord said NO smoking.
Every damned day Id catch her smoking in the house after I promised that man there would be NO smoking.
The lease ended, I didnt sign another one. Im not allowing that woman to drag me down to her level.
And I certainly dont like being grouped together by anti gunners with these sorts who have no respect for the rights of these antigunners...being that WE want OUR rights respected.
Smoking affects everyone around them. It emits a noxious odor and a poisonous gas. Smoking leaves behind residue that must be cleaned up. My concealed firearm affects nobody but me, and the criminal if need be.
And that's the difference. There is all this talk of "trampling on the rights of others." I am not trampling anything. I am not destroying anything. I am not taking money away from anybody. I am not causing them discomfort in any way. I am in no way affecting their lives by carrying a concealed firearm. The only life I am affecting is my own, and those I choose to protect with my firearm, should the need arise.
Ruger357SP101
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Additionally, to come back to your asinine extremist example here, did you have a SIGN outside your home that SAID
'NO ENTRY WITHOUT A BANANA TAPED TO YOUR FOREHEAD"
Because if you didnt youre being a bit dishonest here.
Anyone who saw such a sign wouldnt take it seriously to begin with because its absurd...and IF they did theyd think you were a nutcase and probably not come in UNLESS it was someone who knew you anyway.
THIS is the exaggeration and extremes you folks have to go to in order to justify yourselves.
Ruger357SP101
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And that is the problem with your type. If YOU dont see it as an offense then its not.
My ex felt the same way when she was sleeping around.
It wasnt hurting anyone because no one knew.
Funny. ha. ha. :to_pick_ones_nose:
Try not to get wrapped up in the minutia of taking the example so literally.
But what is the answer to the question?
What gives the property owner the ability to say that I can't smoke in their living room?
Hammerhead
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No. I'm not trespassing because I carry my property (gun, phone, banana) onto their property. I'm trespassing if I'm asked to leave and don't.
Sorry that you feel that you're being lumped into the same category by the Brady bunch. That really irks you, doesn't it?
My moral compass doesn't point to where yours does, so I don't have one? Nice. And no, I don't take porn into a church because there's a rule. I choose not to.
As to why I didn't inform the management I was carrying...I choose to find out the facts first, and I took my fight to the people who could affect change the most, the corporate offices. Not only did I tell them I was carrying, I told them that if, for some reason I chose to visit their establishment while the signs were there, that I'd violate their "rule" and carry anyway, but I probably wouldn't be back in their store until the signs were gone.
You want proof? Here's a whole thread on another site devoted to the issue.
However, that wasn't the point of my little story. I was trying to convey that the rules can be changed, and if you're so fracking concerned by the voice of the Brady bunch, that you should become a voice against them, not griping to gun carriers about their choice to carry.
Sorry that you feel that you're being lumped into the same category by the Brady bunch. That really irks you, doesn't it?
My moral compass doesn't point to where yours does, so I don't have one? Nice. And no, I don't take porn into a church because there's a rule. I choose not to.
As to why I didn't inform the management I was carrying...I choose to find out the facts first, and I took my fight to the people who could affect change the most, the corporate offices. Not only did I tell them I was carrying, I told them that if, for some reason I chose to visit their establishment while the signs were there, that I'd violate their "rule" and carry anyway, but I probably wouldn't be back in their store until the signs were gone.
You want proof? Here's a whole thread on another site devoted to the issue.
However, that wasn't the point of my little story. I was trying to convey that the rules can be changed, and if you're so fracking concerned by the voice of the Brady bunch, that you should become a voice against them, not griping to gun carriers about their choice to carry.
Because it is their property, obviously! And they have the right to remove you from their property if they desire to because you smoke there. AND the private owner of a business has the right to remove me from their property if I carry a gun there. I won't argue with a property owner who wants me to leave because of my gun.
HOWEVER, my concealed firearm is nobody's business but my own so long as it carried in accordance with the applicable state and federal laws.
Hammerhead
Outta my mind, back soon.
So, you feel is that it's OK for YOU to ignore their rights to dictate what is allowable on their property as long as YOU get to exercise your rights.
That's is what you are saying, right?
Hammerhead
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I'm not exaggerating. I'm substituting carrying a banana (ok, taping a banana) to the carry of a gun. If I did have a sign stating "no entry without..." that would be a trespassing sign. I'm specifically marking that you must have one, or you can't enter. Saying "no bananas allowed" isn't a trespass sign. It's a request to not carry a banana. If I'm on that property, and they find I have a banana, they can ask me to leave. If I don't, I'm trespassing and can be jailed.
That's the difference. No gun signs (or phone or banana or whatever) don't hold the same. If that were true, then anyone who ever brought candy into a movie theater could be arrested. It's a rule, right?
Ruger357SP101
Banned
Did you see the NO GUNS sign?
if so, you were wrong to go in to begin with.
As Ive told you a few times now, you only do what you have to do to keep from going to jail.
You clearly do not have ANY respect for the RIGHTS of others.
The real question is would you if you did choose to.
The evidence points to yes.
BE honest. You knew it would cause a scene if you told them you were packing a gun anyway.
Ill check it out....I do want the company name and the email you supposedly contacted.
I do.
And I have to spent time downplaying the behavior of YOUR type when I do talk to these Brady nuts who point out **** like how some gun owners have no respect for others.
Why in the hell do you think Im on this topic, friend?
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