Ignoring Gun Buster signage.

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Frankly anyone who ignores GB signs has no honor, no decency and no respect for the rights of others.
This type complains like a child when their rights are infringed..and quite honestly they sit around complaining about their rights being infringed even when they havent been.
Maybe just whining in advance 'just in case' they are ever violated.

But this type doesnt seem to have enough honor to respect the rights of OTHERS, so the ignore the 'No Guns' sign on the door and walk right on in anyway, then pretend they arent violating anyone elses rights.

They are a black mark on us all. They make decent law abiding gun owners who obey the rules look bad to those groups like the Brady Nuts who are just looking for any reason to bunch us together with this sort to justify taking away our rights.

We need to separate ourselves from these lawless extremists who only obey the rules they cant get away with breaking so that non gun owners understand that these nuts dont speak for or represent the majority of us who own and carry guns.

When a CCWer WILLINGLY and KNOWINGLY ignores a Gunbuster sign the anti's have a field day with this crap by telling the voting public that this is exactly how gun owners are...skirting the rules as much as they want, which is precisely the image they want us to have to begin with.

These gun packers who dont have respect for non gun owners property and rights make ALL of us look bad and endanger the rights of ALL of us because our rights being taken away are just a few votes away and all it takes is a majority to void them at the polls.

Take a stand against this minority who is a blemish to the whole. Put them in their place and let the voting public know that LAW ABIDING gun owners arent whackjobs who sit around thinking about shooting 'bad cops', or even felons.
LAW ABIDING gun owners are just like everyone else, they want to live in peace with their fellow man and are simply prepared for the worst if it should ever come.

Dont let these nut extremists speak for YOU !
 
Are you talking about legal signs or a scrawled, handwritten sign? It makes a huge difference....
 
If you are not breaking state law by ignoring the GB sign then what is the harm? for no law is being broken and they have the right to tell you to leave the building. So you need to clarify exactly what it is you are having a problem with as the post above mine says "Are you talking about legal signs or a scrawled, handwritten sign? It makes a huge difference...."
 
I agree and disagree with you Ruger, and I completely understand your point.
HUBS, makes a good point, define signage. I think the only legal NGA signs I've seen are on G'vmt and ABC stores. I discount static signage with a gun in a circle with a slash through it.
Yes, we should obey the laws to keep our privilege to carry a concealed weapon, which I might add is unfortunate, the unfortunate word is "privilege". But, what about OUR rights, the right to bear arms, OUR Second Amendment Right as US citizens? Who gives the right to a store owner to privately take OUR RIGHT away from us? I want as many educated people carrying as possible. Go yell at the idiot CCW who drinks and carries.
I want to know who gives that store owner that right!
Listen, I've held two CCW's, one in NYS, and now in NC, and I will nit do anything that will jeopardize my right to carry, yes I listen to those dopey signs. As much as I hate it I will not carry where itis not permitted.
In saying all this, we have to protect our rights as educated by law to carry a concealed weapon
 
lets say, you are in anytown usa out for a nice evening dinner and movie.

So you park in the public lot and have a few blocks to walk to dinner.
Now after dinner you have a few minuets before the movie so you other half decides she wants to do some window shopping.
Now a couple of stores have no gun signs.
do you wait outside like a dog, or run back to the car to lock your gun away?
what if you want to go inside too?
 
I agree, the only signs I pay attention to are the LEGAL signage posted on a building. For 1 if Im carrying concealed, they do not know Im carrying anyways, no harm intended, and no harm caused, but if I say walk into a Govt building and ignore the law, it puts that little ink blot on our small society.
I have to say you make a point and at the same time, it is a bit of a double standard, can you HONESTLY say you would not walk into a Grocery store in a "bad neighboorhood" that a family member may live in, and leave your gun in the car just because a hand written sign is on the door that says "No guns allowed" or a sign other than an authorized NGA sign? Just my 2 cents.
 
I carry Link Removed with me so when I come across a business with a no-gun sign I give one to the owner/manager.
 
Ruger.... Please, Please, just give us ONE actual example of your so-called "having a field-day with this crap"

Not some fake hypothetical crap, REAL EXAMPLES...........

REAL cites of ACTUAL CCW people causing all this mayhem....

I'm waiting...............

BTW, Private property is NOT THE SAME as Business Property...... If you INVITE the public, dont go crying when the PUBLIC, WITH ALL THEIR RIGHTS INTACT show up!
 
Ruger357SP101 said:
Frankly anyone who ignores GB signs has no honor, no decency and no respect for the rights of others.
This type complains like a child when their rights are infringed..and quite honestly they sit around complaining about their rights being infringed even when they havent been.
Maybe just whining in advance 'just in case' they are ever violated.

But this type doesnt seem to have enough honor to respect the rights of OTHERS, so the ignore the 'No Guns' sign on the door and walk right on in anyway, then pretend they arent violating anyone elses rights.

They are a black mark on us all. They make decent law abiding gun owners who obey the rules look bad to those groups like the Brady Nuts who are just looking for any reason to bunch us together with this sort to justify taking away our rights.

We need to separate ourselves from these lawless extremists who only obey the rules they cant get away with breaking so that non gun owners understand that these nuts dont speak for or represent the majority of us who own and carry guns.

When a CCWer WILLINGLY and KNOWINGLY ignores a Gunbuster sign the anti's have a field day with this crap by telling the voting public that this is exactly how gun owners are...skirting the rules as much as they want, which is precisely the image they want us to have to begin with.

These gun packers who dont have respect for non gun owners property and rights make ALL of us look bad and endanger the rights of ALL of us because our rights being taken away are just a few votes away and all it takes is a majority to void them at the polls.

Take a stand against this minority who is a blemish to the whole. Put them in their place and let the voting public know that LAW ABIDING gun owners arent whackjobs who sit around thinking about shooting 'bad cops', or even felons.
LAW ABIDING gun owners are just like everyone else, they want to live in peace with their fellow man and are simply prepared for the worst if it should ever come.

Dont let these nut extremists speak for YOU !
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Well, I had to comment some more.... You are very accusatory here.... Do you ACTUALLY know everyone that does these things you are complaining about personally? Do you know WHY they may be doing this thing you dislike so much? Can you read everyone's minds? WHO MADE YOU GOD?

If you dont like that some people stand up for their RIGHTS in a way you choose not to, ignore them, dont attack them like some liberal.
 
We've been round and round this topic in other threads before. You know that I disagree with those who ignore the signs. I am a strong proponent of 2A rights, but I am also a strong proponent of property owners right.

Aexanda45, you are mistaken about the distinction between business property and private property. Business property is property that has been zoned to allow a commercial business to operate on it. However, it is still private property. I know this from my experiences when I was the director of security at a northern Virginia mall. The property owner can still make restrictions upon their property as long as they don't discriminate against a PROTECTED class of people. (i.e. black, gay, female, aged, etc...)

As we all know from the governments attacks on our gun rights, we are not protected in the eyes of the government. At least not yet.
 
I taught my children to have self-respect and integrity by respecting other's property. If Mr. Crabapple tells you to stay off his lawn, then stay off his lawn. If someone asks you to take off your shoes before entering their house, then take off your shoes. If a store says "no shirt no service" then either put on a shirt or don't go into the store.

I'd wouldn't expect anything less from an adult.
 
Not much support for Ruger....

If I need an item and there is a store that has that item on sale, cheaper than anywhere else. And that store has a sign on the door banning firearms. That sign has no legal weight in Washington - it is not illegal to carry past the sign (except for gov't buildings, schools, etc.)

So, I cover up my gun and go in and buy what I want and leave.

Let me ask..... who loses in this situation?

1. I got the item I need for the lowest price.
2. The shop owner got my business.
3. Nobody gives a rat's behind about my gun they can't see.
4. I am not doing anything illegal or that destroys property or harms anyone in any way (unless a criminal should just happen to attempt an armed robbery while I am there.)

Sure, there are some that will say I am supporting their no gun policy by shopping there anyway... and that is a consideration. But in these economic times, quite frankly, we need all the private enterprise we can get, and I weigh the benefit to my economic situation.

Also, there are simply some venues of entertainment that are going to be 99% always firearms banned. So, do I deny my family the opportunity to engage in those entertainment venues because they have a gun buster sign up for insurance reasons? Do I let them or myself go unarmed simply because of a meaningless sign?

Here's one perspective - I emailed the management of a local shopping mall and asked about their firearms policy. Their head of security emailed me back. He said, yes, of course we have the sign. He admitted it was a "feel good" measure and to satisfy the insurance company. He also said he fully realized the sign or the policy protected nobody and would do nothing to prevent a criminal act. He also stated that to him and his security personnel concealed meant concealed and if they didn't see it then there was no issue and that he fully understood the self protection issue and, in fact, wished that more people did fulfil their responsibility to provide for their own protection. He said off the clock he carried his own gun past the signs.
 
nogods said:
Troll! Troll!

While you are at it why not throw in "anti-gun" and "brady bunch" and "commie" and "nazi" and "socialists" and "he started this thread to force obamacare on us"
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nogods, I agree with your stance on this issue, but statements like that don't help our argument. In all reality, it was probably done to troll.
 
Hubs said:
Are you talking about legal signs or a scrawled, handwritten sign? It makes a huge difference....
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Here where I live its one and the same.

That is irrelevant however.
'Legal' or not...whether a person lawfully must obey it or not....the issue is the property owner or the person leasing it has said to keep guns out of this Private property.
 
Kasper said:
If you are not breaking state law by ignoring the GB sign then what is the harm? for no law is being broken and they have the right to tell you to leave the building. So you need to clarify exactly what it is you are having a problem with as the post above mine says "Are you talking about legal signs or a scrawled, handwritten sign? It makes a huge difference...."
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So its just as I said.
Some will only obey just enough to keep from going to jail....to hell with the rights of private property owners
 
mg1cigar said:
I agree and disagree with you Ruger, and I completely understand your point.
HUBS, makes a good point, define signage. I think the only legal NGA signs I've seen are on G'vmt and ABC stores. I discount static signage with a gun in a circle with a slash through it.
Yes, we should obey the laws to keep our privilege to carry a concealed weapon, which I might add is unfortunate, the unfortunate word is "privilege". But, what about OUR rights, the right to bear arms, OUR Second Amendment Right as US citizens? Who gives the right to a store owner to privately take OUR RIGHT away from us? I want as many educated people carrying as possible. Go yell at the idiot CCW who drinks and carries.
I want to know who gives that store owner that right!
Listen, I've held two CCW's, one in NYS, and now in NC, and I will nit do anything that will jeopardize my right to carry, yes I listen to those dopey signs. As much as I hate it I will not carry where itis not permitted.
In saying all this, we have to protect our rights as educated by law to carry a concealed weapon
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Ok...but cant you just find another store that doesnt have a sign and doesnt care if you CCW on their property?
Why are OUR rights sacred, yet someone elses irrelevant?
 
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