Wow you guys really know how to confuse a situation. Its simple;
It forces all states to recognize permits from other states, it doesn't matter if they have a permit system or not.
It is constitutionally mandated that the Fed can enforce compliance with the Bill of Rights, state rights notwithstanding, end of story.
They've got it right this time, this is a good thing.
If the state, IL, does not have a permit system in place, it does not effect them. If this bill passes you can NOT carry in IL. Or DC...even tho DC is not a state and should not be separated as such.
mrjam2jab:231763 said:Wow you guys really know how to confuse a situation. Its simple;
It forces all states to recognize permits from other states, it doesn't matter if they have a permit system or not.
It is constitutionally mandated that the Fed can enforce compliance with the Bill of Rights, state rights notwithstanding, end of story.
They've got it right this time, this is a good thing.
If the state, IL, does not have a permit system in place, it does not effect them. If this bill passes you can NOT carry in IL. Or DC...even tho DC is not a state and should not be separated as such.
The only real benefit that I can see is that it will force some states, (California and Illinois specifically), to actually have legal concealed weapon holders active in their populations even though they have specifically refused to allow their own citizens to exercise their rights.
California is a "may issue" state, (which means that only those VERY politically connected with lots and lots of money will ever be considered for a permit). Illinois, on the other hand, is the only state out of 50 that does not allow for ANY type of concealed carry that I am aware of. The state of Illinois does not even bother with the blatantly false "lip service" to allowing this basic human right to self defense as they do in California, (which is in direct contradiction to the latest Supreme Court rulings on the subject).
If this bill passes, then these states, (and the District of Columbia I believe), would be in the rather ridiculous position where they do not allow their own citizens to carry, but out of state visitors can due to a superceding federal law that crosses state jurisdictional boundaries.
On the one hand, I like that notion as many California residents could apply for and receive a permit from a state such as Utah for example and then use that permit to allow thier concealed carry rights back in California, (in theory anyway, I am sure there would be some legal wrangling around this possibility that will be fought over in the courts).
On the other hand, however, I also have to agree in principle with others who have posted stating that they do not want ANY new law or federal control over this issue since getting the government involved, no matter how well intentioned, is a universal recipe for disaster and meddlesome ninnying.
Here is my question: If this bill was a threat to our rights in any fashion why would the NRA be soliciting our help to contact legislators to support this bill?
The answer is they wouldn't.
"place? I am ashamed at some of you (not that you care). CON-gress has no authority at all in this matter, it goes against at least 2 of the amendments, if not more, and some of you want it to pass?????? WTF???? Wake up and STOP helping them (govt) take away our Rights.... my goodness, why do I even have to write this to you? I thought this was a "gun forum", not an compromisers forum...."
Nice talk but divorced from reality. We didn't lose the 2nd Amendment all at once. We lost it little piece by little piece. We're not going to get it back all at once. We're going to have to take it back little piece by little piece, baby steps. This bill is a baby step in the right direction. We have to be realistic or we get nothing.
So, according to you....... infringing upon MORE RIGHTS is how we get our rights back???? Sorry, but you really need some professional help to bring you back to reality... Does your mother know you are on the computer again?
So, according to you....... infringing upon MORE RIGHTS is how we get our rights back???? Sorry, but you really need some professional help to bring you back to reality... Does your mother know you are on the computer again?
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