Gun Related Stupid Movie Mistakes

[TlWheatley]

Back in the revolver days,officers almost always had their finger on the trigger.

 

[spirit4earth]

No muzzle flash and no recoil. They shoot their pistols with one hand and there's NO kick!!!

 

[Bighouse Doc]

My favorite was in Saving Private Ryan, when the US sniper was getting ready to shoot the German sniper. The US guy reached up to the objective lens on his scope, twisted it, and said, "Two clicks." He pretended to be changing the range, but instead he was focussing the scope.

What even funnier is that the REAL scopes on the '03 A4 were teensy little things. Complete junk by todays standards.

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And the actor even thought he could hit Adolph Hitler '...up to, and including one mile..."

WW2 snipers had terrible weapons by todays standards. Their engagement distances were mostly under 300yds (which was a LONG shot for them)!

-Doc

 

[Treo]

What even funnier is that the REAL scopes on the '03 A4 were teensy little things. Complete junk by todays standards.

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And the actor even thought he could hit Adolph Hitler '...up to, and including one mile..."

WW2 snipers had terrible weapons by todays standards. Their engagement distances were mostly under 300yds (which was a LONG shot for them)!

-Doc

During the three days battle in the Lincoln County War McSween partisan Jose Chavez Y Chaves is credited with hitting a Murphy/Dolan fighter at just over a mile and a half over iron sights with a Sharps buffalo gun

 

[dcselby1]

A coupled of my favorite boo boos were in the same (I believe) in a Rambo movie. In once scene, Rambo was on top of a huge rock overlooking a river, I think. He had LAW on his shoulder, preparing to fire. As I recall, a team mate slapped him on the shoulder indicating he should fire or was clear, I guess. Anyway, the camera panned around BEHIND Rambo and at one point behind the LAW and you could see straight through the tube to the river!

In another scene (or anotheRamboob movie) he was in the cockpit of a Huey and (windshield shot out, I believe) with another LAW with the cabin full of people and he fired through thwindshielded with nback blastst whatever.

 

[Bighouse Doc]

During the three days battle in the Lincoln County War McSween partisan Jose Chavez Y Chaves is credited with hitting a Murphy/Dolan fighter at just over a mile and a half over iron sights with a Sharps buffalo gun

Of course, without optics, one can't even see a tiny person a mile and a half away!.

This is either a tall story, or one of the luckiest, random hits in history.

Having shot National Match Courses, using a match grade M1A at 800yds, the black is 44 inches. It is a teensy spot on the post!

Now at 2640 yards(1.5 miles), that bull would now be a mere pinprick on the post.

A 72 x 18 inch human would all but be non-discernable at that distance. In fact, snipers in Afghanistan use astronomic telescopes for spotting at those distances!

Of course, this is assuming you have ballistic performance in the 50BMG class to reach that far.

The 50-90 buffalo gun shot a lead slug of 550 grains at around 1400 fps. The ballistic coefficient is .277. That buffalo bullet would have the trajectory of a mortar!

The 50 BMG class is in the range of .899 and above! The MV are in the 2900 fps range. Time of flight is over 4 seconds!

And we haven't even started thinking about winds, temps, earth rotation and all the other things in the long range sniper's world!

More than likely, the shot you are talking about was probably much less than one mile!

-Doc

 

[Treo]

Of course, without optics, one can't even see a tiny person a mile and a half away!.

This is either a tall story, or one of the luckiest, random hits in history.

Having shot National Match Courses, using a match grade M1A at 800yds, the black is 44 inches. It is a teensy spot on the post!

Now at 2640 yards(1.5 miles), that bull would now be a mere pinprick on the post.

A 72 x 18 inch human would all but be non-discernable at that distance. In fact, snipers in Afghanistan use astronomic telescopes for spotting at those distances!

Of course, this is assuming you have ballistic performance in the 50BMG class to reach that far.

The 50-90 buffalo gun shot a lead slug of 550 grains at around 1400 fps. The ballistic coefficient is .277. That buffalo bullet would have the trajectory of a mortar!

The 50 BMG class is in the range of .899 and above! The MV are in the 2900 fps range. Time of flight is over 4 seconds!

And we haven't even started thinking about winds, temps, earth rotation and all the other things in the long range sniper's world!

More than likely, the shot you are talking about was probably much less than one mile!

-Doc

Just telling you what the historical record says Billy Dixon did the same thing at the battle of Adobe Walls at a mile

Dixon led the founders of Adobe Walls to the Texas Plains, where he knew buffalo were in abundance. The group of 28 men and one woman occupied the outpost of five buildings 15 miles northeast of Stinnett.

The outpost was attacked on June 27, 1874 by a band of 700 to 1200 Indians, and that is when Dixon went into the history books for firing "The Shot of the Century which effectively ended the siege. Although, Billy Dixon states in his biography that it was a "scratch shot", he is still honored to this day with competitions in England and the US which attempt to match his skill.

The stand-off continued into a third day, when a group of Indians were noticed about a mile east of Adobe Walls. It is said that Dixon took aim with a quickly borrowed 50/90 Sharps (as, according to his biography, he only had a 45/90 and felt it could not reach) buffalo rifle and fired, knocking an Indian near Chief Quanah Parker off his horse almost a mile away on his third shot. The Indians then left the settlement alone. Commemorative "Billy Dixon" model reproduction Sharps rifles that supposedly recreate the specifications of Dixon's famous gun are still available today.

Billy Dixon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But hey, you're a genius I can't tell you nothin'

 

[CathyInBlue]

There's no accounting for raw, unrefined luck.

 

[Treo]

There's no accounting for raw, unrefined luck.

IMO luck would be if he just pointed in the general direction, pulled the trigger and got a hit.

My point was that even if the first was a tall tale (and I don't discount that possibility) the fact remains that Billy dixon was able to see, aim at and hit a human being over iron sights a mile away.

 

[kerb]

In one of the first episodes of the Walking Dead, the main character takes refuge in a tank. There's a body inside that comes back to life, so he shoots it. With no hearing protection... And a few seconds later he hears someone trying to contact him over the radio.... Hollywood never does a good job with the noise factor. Nobody ever has ears in, and they're always whispering their plans of escape during the gunfight.

The walking dead is such a great show that I'm willing to forgive them just about anything though. Love that show!

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[Bighouse Doc]

Billy Dixon's Story is completely true. However his target did skyline himself (making as good a target as is possible) and do everything possible to get shot!

Billy Dixon did NOT hit a target one and a half miles away though! In fact it is measured a bit shy of a mile.

He was also quite lucky too! Probably the calmest winds of the decade!

Where I live the rural roads are laid out in one mile blocks. With a slight rise, one can see the whole distance. You really cant discern a person a mile away without optics.

Don't listen to a long distance shooter like Doc. Try it yourself!

-Doc

 

[revjen45]

"Freejack" - The protagonist shows up at what was his G/F's apartment, now occupied by someone else. The man of the house pulls a dbl bbl shotgun to the sound of a slide being racked. Good flick, but that was stupid.

Re Billy Dixon: Billy & Co were professional buffalo (yeah, I know, the critters were actually bison) hunters who spent all day shooting at extended range, so it was indeed a stroke of good luck but not a complete fluke like it would be if I did it.

 

[Treo]

Billy Dixon did NOT hit a target one and a half miles away though! In fact it is measured a bit shy of a mile.

Never said he did. The Lincoln country shooting was reported to be 1&1/2 miles

My point in all of this is that for Barry Pepper's Character to say that he could hit Hitler up to a mile away while highly unlikely wasn't completely outside the realm of possibility

 

[Bighouse Doc]

Never said he did. The Lincoln country shooting was reported to be 1&1/2 miles

My point in all of this is that for Barry Pepper's Character to say that he could hit Hitler up to a mile away while highly unlikely wasn't completely outside the realm of possibility

The scopes that did come with the '03 A4 did NOT have anywhere near enough adjustment to do such a shot.

The buffalo rifle, with it's ladder sight, was a better long range rifle than the A4.

Its interesting how the sights on the the old standard 1903 were marked for unbelievable ranges (probably due to persistent 19th century wishful thinking by the army brass) but no one could really target an individual at those ranges.

-Doc

 

[AppliedPerspective]

My 1942 Enfield has sights with markings for 100-2000 meters. From what I've read, they weren't made so much for aiming at a particular person at that range, but more that the Brits would get a group of guys together and volley rounds out at their enemies before they could advance enough to be in range to shoot back. The angle of the barrel in relation to the earth is (I'd guess) about 30 degrees when using those markings.

 

[Bighouse Doc]

My 1942 Enfield has sights with markings for 100-2000 meters. From what I've read, they weren't made so much for aiming at a particular person at that range, but more that the Brits would get a group of guys together and volley rounds out at their enemies before they could advance enough to be in range to shoot back. The angle of the barrel in relation to the earth is (I'd guess) about 30 degrees when using those markings.

Wishful 18th century thinking with modern weapons!

-Doc

 

[discodan]

The movie "haywire", in the begining fight scene Gina Carano racks the slide after a shot was fired seconds before. I started laughing and my wife couldnt figure why.

Terrible movie but, hot actress/mma fighter

 

[jabatam]

I remember seeing the same thing and thinking his head would hurt so bad he would not want to move at all.

Oh yeah...he'd be deaf to all but the loudest noises for quite some time

 

[jabatam]

Of course, without optics, one can't even see a tiny person a mile and a half away!.

This is either a tall story, or one of the luckiest, random hits in history.

Having shot National Match Courses, using a match grade M1A at 800yds, the black is 44 inches. It is a teensy spot on the post!

Now at 2640 yards(1.5 miles), that bull would now be a mere pinprick on the post.

A 72 x 18 inch human would all but be non-discernable at that distance. In fact, snipers in Afghanistan use astronomic telescopes for spotting at those distances!

Of course, this is assuming you have ballistic performance in the 50BMG class to reach that far.

The 50-90 buffalo gun shot a lead slug of 550 grains at around 1400 fps. The ballistic coefficient is .277. That buffalo bullet would have the trajectory of a mortar!

The 50 BMG class is in the range of .899 and above! The MV are in the 2900 fps range. Time of flight is over 4 seconds!

And we haven't even started thinking about winds, temps, earth rotation and all the other things in the long range sniper's world!

More than likely, the shot you are talking about was probably much less than one mile!

-Doc

Doc, you also have to consider that factual statistics, other than body counts, were not accurately tracked as they are in modern times. This story was probably told a few different times before someone wrote it down and the storytellers are likely to have embellished it somewhat each time. Good rebuttal though

 

[gunnerbob]

In The Rock(Cage & Connery), how many F'ING times do the Marines have to chamber a round in their ARs?! OMG, watch the movie and count how many! It almost ruined the movie for me...