That goes without saying.
Law-abiding citizens with guns aren't the answer to all violent crime. As I understand it, most of the gunfire came from his car, and most of those rounds were fired while the car was moving. I don't know about anybody else, but the stars would have to align such as never before in history before I'd take a shot at the driver of a moving car with gunfire coming out of it on busy streets. Looking around, there are no time-lines available that I could find that gives actual times at certain locations where he did exit his car, but it sounds like it was mere seconds and that most of his rounds were fired while moving.
My belief is that this has nothing to do with law-abiding citizens carrying guns at all. Just gotta chalk this one up to a mentally ill young man who went off the rails. That's the long and the short of it. No background checks that don't severely infringe on all the rights of the citizens of America would have stopped it, and no super-hero, Johnny-on-the-spot CC'er or OC'er would have likely had any influence on it. Sometimes it just boils down to sh!t happens. This is one of those times. You don't have to support or have any tolerance for the idiotic gun free zones laws in this country in order to come to that conclusion. You just have to look at what happened and admit that none of us could've done a damned thing to stop it if we were there.
Blues
I disagree. Here in Arizona, mass-shootings are rare.
Hard to argue with the truth.
Just to mention... if one of the people he stabbed had a gun, it might have stopped there.
I disagree. Here in Arizona, mass-shootings are rare. That fact can't be attributed to a homogeneous culture, really good wine or above-average mental health care. In Arizona, pulling a gun on anyone is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS! I see people open-carry every day. Sometimes I catch people concealed-carrying, mainly because I get pleasure from spotting it.
FACT: An armed society is a polite society.
FACT: Gun-free zones (like the whole state of CA) are free-fire zones.
FACT: Criminals choose soft targets.
FACT: The entire state of Arizona (besides the Tribal land, which doesn't recognize the 2nd Amendment) is a hard target.
Hard to argue with the truth.
This may very well be true, but it's irrelevant to the discussion. The stabbings happened in his apartment, which is not a gun free zone.
Law-abiding citizens with guns aren't the answer to all violent crime. As I understand it, most of the gunfire came from his car, and most of those rounds were fired while the car was moving. I don't know about anybody else, but the stars would have to align such as never before in history before I'd take a shot at the driver of a moving car with gunfire coming out of it on busy streets. Looking around, there are no time-lines available that I could find that gives actual times at certain locations where he did exit his car, but it sounds like it was mere seconds and that most of his rounds were fired while moving.
My belief is that this has nothing to do with law-abiding citizens carrying guns at all. Just gotta chalk this one up to a mentally ill young man who went off the rails. That's the long and the short of it. No background checks that don't severely infringe on all the rights of the citizens of America would have stopped it, and no super-hero, Johnny-on-the-spot CC'er or OC'er would have likely had any influence on it. Sometimes it just boils down to sh!t happens. This is one of those times. You don't have to support or have any tolerance for the idiotic gun free zones laws in this country in order to come to that conclusion. You just have to look at what happened and admit that none of us could've done a damned thing to stop it if we were there.
Blues
First three were killed with a knife. A cc'er there would have had a chance to stop it before it started.
Blues, I agree with you whole heartedly regarding take pot shots at a vehicle moving through a populated neighborhood.Law-abiding citizens with guns aren't the answer to all violent crime. As I understand it, most of the gunfire came from his car, and most of those rounds were fired while the car was moving. I don't know about anybody else, but the stars would have to align such as never before in history before I'd take a shot at the driver of a moving car with gunfire coming out of it on busy streets. Looking around, there are no time-lines available that I could find that gives actual times at certain locations where he did exit his car, but it sounds like it was mere seconds and that most of his rounds were fired while moving.
My belief is that this has nothing to do with law-abiding citizens carrying guns at all. Just gotta chalk this one up to a mentally ill young man who went off the rails. That's the long and the short of it. No background checks that don't severely infringe on all the rights of the citizens of America would have stopped it, and no super-hero, Johnny-on-the-spot CC'er or OC'er would have likely had any influence on it. Sometimes it just boils down to sh!t happens. This is one of those times. You don't have to support or have any tolerance for the idiotic gun free zones laws in this country in order to come to that conclusion. You just have to look at what happened and admit that none of us could've done a damned thing to stop it if we were there.
Blues
I tend to disagree with *FACT: Criminals choose soft targets.
If your looking to rob a store then Yes, But, if you looking to shoot someone, then generally they tend to go where the people they want to shoot are rather than targeting a soft target.
Shootings, more times than not are done by choice. Shooter shows up at location of fight, friction, firing, family and so on.
Just My Humble Opinion.
More tom the point, Gun Free Zones in ALMOST every case is a bad idea.
The recent mass murders chose not only where people would be, but unarmed people. They still choose soft targets, just where there are a lot of them.
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Recent means nothing. Majority means everything. Recent only comes into play when the "Recent Trend" becomes a majority.
Law-abiding citizens with guns aren't the answer to all violent crime. As I understand it, most of the gunfire came from his car, and most of those rounds were fired while the car was moving. I don't know about anybody else, but the stars would have to align such as never before in history before I'd take a shot at the driver of a moving car with gunfire coming out of it on busy streets. Looking around, there are no time-lines available that I could find that gives actual times at certain locations where he did exit his car, but it sounds like it was mere seconds and that most of his rounds were fired while moving.
My belief is that this has nothing to do with law-abiding citizens carrying guns at all. Just gotta chalk this one up to a mentally ill young man who went off the rails. That's the long and the short of it. No background checks that don't severely infringe on all the rights of the citizens of America would have stopped it, and no super-hero, Johnny-on-the-spot CC'er or OC'er would have likely had any influence on it. Sometimes it just boils down to sh!t happens. This is one of those times. You don't have to support or have any tolerance for the idiotic gun free zones laws in this country in order to come to that conclusion. You just have to look at what happened and admit that none of us could've done a damned thing to stop it if we were there.
Blues
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