Gun Bans Based on “Emotions” Are Now Legal


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So if you move into a trailer court and you come to find out that everyone there owns guns and you are against guns do you move or try to make everyone there give up their guns just so you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? How much more of this non-sense are we willing to take?




A court in Illinois ruled a gun ban that makes people “feel safer” is OK.

Because if a gun ban makes people feel safer, then it must be working.

Except that feeling safe and actually being safe are two totally different things.

You can feel safe while you swim around with a bloody leg in shark infested waters. But that doesn’t mean you are.

However, get up on a boat, out of the water and away from sharks and you actually become safe.

Here’s what Ammoland has to say about this ruling:

In a stunning 2-1 decision published today that upheld a City of Highland Park, Illinois ordinance (§136.005 of the City Code) that prohibits the possession of so-called “assault weapons” and “large‐capacity magazines,” Seventh Circuit Cout of Appeals Judge Frank Easterbrook held that

[a]nother constitutional principle is relevant: the Constitution establishes a federal republic where local differences are cherished as elements of liberty, rather than eliminated in a search for national uniformity. McDonald circumscribes the scope of permissible experimentation by state and local governments, but it does not foreclose all possibility of experimentation. Within the limits established by the Justices in Heller and McDonald, federalism and diversity still have a claim. Whether those limits should be extended is in the end a question for the Justices. Given our understanding of existing limits, the judgment [of the trial court, which held that the gun control ordinance was constitutional] is AFFIRMED.

Adding insult to injury, the majority found that “f a ban on semi‐automatic guns and large‐capacity magazines reduces the perceived risk from a mass shooting, and makes the public feel safer as a result, that’s a substantial benefit.”

In his dissent, Judge Manion found that

y prohibiting a class of weapons commonly used throughout the country, Highland Park’s ordinance infringes upon the rights of its citizens to keep weapons in their homes for the purpose of defending themselves, their families, and their property. Both the ordinance and this court’s opinion upholding it are directly at odds with the central holdings of Heller and McDonald: that the Second Amendment protects a personal right to keep arms for lawful purposes, most notably for self-defense within the home.

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Unlike public life where the cities and states have broad authority to regulate,the ultimate decision for what constitutes the most effective means of defending one’s home, family, and property resides in individual citizens and not in the government. The Heller and McDonald opinions could not be clearer on this matter. Heller, 554 U.S. at 635; McDonald, 561 U.S. at 780. The extent of danger—real or imagined—that a citizen faces at home is a matter only that person can assess in full.

To be sure, assault rifles and large capacity magazines are dangerous. But their ability to project large amounts of force accurately is exactly why they are an attractive means of selfdefense. While most persons do not require extraordinary means to defend their homes, the fact remains that some do. Ultimately, it is up to the lawful gun owner and not the government to decide these matters. To limit self-defense to only those methods acceptable to the government is to effect an enormous transfer of authority fromthe citizens of this country to the government—a result directly contrary to our constitu-tion and to our political tradition. The rights contained in the Second Amendment are “fundamental” and “necessary to our system of ordered liberty.” McDonald, 561 U.S. at 778. The government recognizes these rights; it does not confer them.

Judges Easterbrook, Manion, and Williams were appointed by President Ronald Reagan. The complete decision can be viewed or downloaded here.

TAKEAWAYS (**opinion**):

1. This decision underscores the need for the United States Supreme Court to grant certiorari in Jackson v. San Francisco. The Second Amendment is bleeding out on the table….and most lower courts seem to be perfectly happy to watch it die in its infancy.

2. This decision does not bode well for challengers of bans that are similar to that in Friedman v. Highland Park. Don’t be surprised if you see more state and local governments use cases like Friedman and Fyock v. Sunnyvale as cover to pass sweeping new bans in the next few years.

3. If this is what the federal Right to Keep and Bear Arms is going to look like in practice, then it seems plausible that thousands–and possibly millions–of law-abiding gun owners in “battleground states” will move their lives and families to “free” states in the coming years to avoid criminal liability and loss of property for simply being a gun owner.

4. It seems equally plausible that thousands–and possibly millions–of gun owners in “battleground states” will simply ignore the law and take their chances, leading to the unfortunate (and devastating) arrest and prosecution of otherwise good and peaceful people.

It’s scary how the courts are ignoring the evidence, gun bans don’t make anyone safer.

But it’s a talking point that’s been spun over and over that it seems to have created an impenetrable defense.

With rulings like this in place it creates a very slippery slope by which our access to quality rifles could become quite limited.

Tell us what you think about this ruling.


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That's right up there with the Cleveland ordinance that does nothing, but as one city councilman said, it makes them feel safer.

What a big, stinking crock.

So, what about my feeling safer when I have my AR with 30 round (normal capacity) mags? Don't my feelings count?
 
That's right up there with the Cleveland ordinance that does nothing, but as one city councilman said, it makes them feel safer.

What a big, stinking crock.

So, what about my feeling safer when I have my AR with 30 round (normal capacity) mags? Don't my feelings count?
Nope, yours don't count. Only liberals and anti-gun people's opinions count.:sarcastic:
 
The liberal left is all about emotions. Every policy they push caters to the warm and fuzzy feeling they get. Look at the trillions spent to end poverty, it's still here but the left feels warm and fuzzy for their efforts. Same for anti-gun laws. They will admit the new gun laws won't do much to end gun violence but they feel all warm and fuzzy for the effort. I guess warm and fuzzy trumps solutions any time.
 
You bet your Ass the judge has pre than one ;)

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Carry what you want, 2nd amendment, attempting to take same is the very tyranny the constitution allows you to resist.
 
We are never to question the libs programs, actions or anything they do when it does not work. We are only suppose to praise them because they "care" and are trying to do something! Then when we point out that their program is a total failure, they say that the program just did not go far enough and they need MORE money!


I forgot to say this. It is NEVER their money to fund any of their crappy ideas! It's ALWAYS other peoples money!!!!
 
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Hey, it's Illinois. A plethora of liberals whose brain damaged cognitive, executive, and reasoning skills have been tainted by the "sky is falling" gene. Seriously, they suffer from mental illness, and don't even know it!

The utterly illogical thought processes of these people are not recognized by their own kind! They parrot their fears and hand-wringing to each other, which further erodes any semblance of rational thought, or action.

I'm going to be rude and just say it; we have blatant stupidity and idiocy in this country, and those referenced above, suffer both.

We have the right to feel safe too. We ARE safe because we chose to do something about our "feelings" that will accomplish that goal.

If liberals don't like it, tough. What part of, "it's legal" don't you understand? It's growing daily, especially the ladies' segment.

Finally, a parting thought aimed at gun-control advocates (including hypocritical actors and politicians) who want to take away our "feelings" of safety:

1. Go pound sand.
2. Get over it.
3. Or both.
 
If the commie progressive leftist sissies, Bloomberb zombies and scared li'l mommies don't like guns they believe no one should own them but if a conservative doesn't like guns then they just don't buy one.
 
If the commie progressive leftist sissies, Bloomberb zombies and scared li'l mommies don't like guns they believe no one should own them but if a conservative doesn't like guns then they just don't buy one.

That is the way libs are! Everyone must think, believe, act and do everything just like them!
 
Left wing liberal loonies know what is best for all of us. Anyone that dare questions their good intentions must be silenced by what ever means necessary.
 
Oh but wait.
There's more from where that comes from :pp
So Now we have the Big biker gang fight down in Texas... Look out her comes those liberals. .

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Oh but wait.
There's more from where that comes from :pp
So Now we have the Big biker gang fight down in Texas... Look out her comes those liberals. .

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It was a turf war and the only ones hurt/killed, were biker gang members.

Meanwhile, here today there was a shooting less than a mile away. Homeowner shot 2 burglars. 1 dead and 1 not feeling too good and in critical condition. Liberals will be out protesting the use of firearms, NOT!!!! I guess this group of burglars never got the message that homeowners in this area have firearms and know how to use them.
 
"Hey, it's Illinois"

This is not an Illinois state court. The United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit is a federal court based in Chicago with appellate jurisdiction over Illinois, Indiana, and Wisconsin. It also holds sessions in Milwaukee, Bloomington, IN, South Bend, IN, and Lafayette, IN. Most likely the decision of the 3 judge panel will be appealed to the full court, and to the U.S. Supreme Court if necessary.

This the same court that in 2012 ordered the state of Illinois to pass concealed carry legislation (Moore v. Madigan). It was a different 3 judge panel (Posner, Flaum, and Williams). The court gave Illinois 180 days to pass a concealed carry law. The full 10 judge court refused to hear the appeal of Lisa Madigan, Illinois Attorney General. A bi-partisan bill was passed and sent to then-governor Quinn, a Democrat, who vetoed it. In a rare case the legislature over rode the veto, virtually at the last minute. The Democrats realized that without the legislation, Illinois could have become an unrestricted conceal carry state. There are a lot or restrictions in the bill that should be removed.
 
It was a turf war and the only ones hurt/killed, were biker gang members.

Meanwhile, here today there was a shooting less than a mile away. Homeowner shot 2 burglars. 1 dead and 1 not feeling too good and in critical condition. Liberals will be out protesting the use of firearms, NOT!!!! I guess this group of burglars never got the message that homeowners in this area have firearms and know how to use them.

An update on the story. The owner that shot the burglars was a 77 year old. The burglars were black. The families of them did go out to the crime scene. But they did not protest. If they had, they would have been shown the road by the rest of the neighborhood who were tired of the recent burglaries in the area. Watch for a drop in area burglaries in the aftermath.
 

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