walknotinfear
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I am also in Florida. I hate leaving it in the car but I do just so I don't have to stand in line to have my weapon checked at the door.
Got denied entry into gun show today
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But businesses, excepting those run by some form of government, ARE private property. The business owner has EVERY right to set the rules for their property. If I chose to, I could tell all of my friends that they were not welcome on my property armed, or that they cannot speak in my home unless they speak in pirate-ese. Why the heck would it be any different if that property is a store I opened versus my house? I still own it. If you don't like my rules, take your scurvy infested, land lovin' body somewhere else.
It's the same in the Kansas City area (both KS & MO). They usually have local police zip tie the weapons at the entrance. The last time I went to a gun show that allowed weapons inside was probably in the late 70s or early 80s, and that was in Pomona, California, of places. That was an interesting mix of folks, but all of the attendees were exceedingly polite.
All the ones I've been to here in MI are the same, unload and Zip tie. Think it was last year, or year before at the one in Mt. Clemens where the guy and a little girl were shot by some clown who didn't know what trigger control was. I have no problem with the unloaded policy. Every show I've been to I've seen a few clowns sweeping people with their fingers on the trigger or in the guard. Too many more chances of an accident to outweigh the need to carry loaded.
davesredvette
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In Texas the police put the ty wrap on your guns, best to just leave em in the car. One show I went to had a huge 5 gallon water bottle full of bullets at the door. I asked what that was and they said it was from all of the "unloaded" guns people brought to the show. Probably would make a good door prize....
gundaddypv
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Yes, this is standard procedure at gun shows. Get over it or don't go to gun shows.
It's one thing to have a policy of no loaded guns at the show - but what is the purpose of lying about it and falsely claiming it is the law?
You're conflating 2 issues. The school issue is simply about arming school teachers or administrators on a volunteer basis so that a madman with a loaded gun cannot kill everything in his path. The other issue is about having hundreds and hundreds of people wandering around a gun flea market being locked and loaded. It is very unlikely that a madman will go into a gun show and start shooting the place up. That is the difference.
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ezkl2230
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Eh… wrong answer. You cannot run your business, which in most cases is open to and accommodates the general public, any way you like. The GOVERNMENT tells you how you may run your business, tells you against whom you may not discriminate, tells you (now, in particular) what you may do with employee insurance, how your parking lot and bathrooms must be configured to accommodate the disabled, etc., etc., etc. In most states these days, even though you may own the parking lot, you cannot exclude a firearms carrier from storing their firearm in their vehicle parked on YOUR property.
If you truly had the right to run your business the way you see fit, then things would be like Ron Paul wanted them to be - he opposed the civil rights act because he saw it as a violation of the private property rights of business owners to run their businesses completely as they saw fit. You would be able to have a parking lot without handicap spaces, bathrooms without the more costly handicap stalls, you would be able to tell a black, or latino, or oriental to take their business elsewhere, exclude women, Jews, gays, etc. You would be able to fire an employee because you disagreed with their religion or politics, and the list goes on.
The reality is that you can do NONE of those things.
Why?
Because the government has SEVERELY LIMITED your civil rights as a business owner. The Americans with Disabilities Act, the Civil Rights Act, Obamacare, OSHA, the IRS - just to name a few (and that's just at the FEDERAL LEVEL, doesn't even begin to address all of the STATE LEVEL regulations) - ALL of these things prevent you from running your business exactly the way you might want to run it. In the first THREE DAYS of 2014 alone, the fed issued 141 new business regulations (Feds list 141 new regulations in only three days | The Daily Caller). We do not enjoy the same level of Constitutional protection as a business owners as we do as private citizens.
So with that in mind, I will continue to push for the recognition and protection of our Second Amendment CIVIL RIGHT (the Bill of Rights is ALL ABOUT civil rights) to bear arms in our own defense as both employees and customers.
The fact that we CAN do ALL of those things in our own homes is the hallmark of true private property rights. I don't have to let ANYONE into my home for ANY reason imaginable. I don't have to let the JW's, Mormons, or political candidates on my property. If I don't have a handicap compliant toilet in my house, or a handicap space in front of my garage; that's just the way it is. If I don't want anyone carrying a firearm ANYWHERE on my property (including the driveway!) I can prohibit them. That is what rights on TRULY PRIVATE PROPERTY look like.
And FYI - if a homeowner tells me they don't want me to carry on their property, I respect that demand.
Capt. Frank
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I attended the big NRA produced Harrisburg, Pa. outdoors show, open and concealed carry were permitted.
I understand what you're saying, but respectfully, I'm not wrong. You are now asking the government to further infringe upon the rights of property owners simply because A. It has already done so and B. You want them to assert your rights above someone else's. If you truly cared about Civil and Personal Property Rights you would instead be fighting to reverse all of the government infringement listed above. When you ask for, and especially when you get, the wrong solution to an issue, you set up a dangerous precedent that people who disagree with you may use in the future to further their goals and/or trample your rights.
Again, if you truly respected CIVIL RIGHTS (I guess we have to type that in quotes - or did you not realize that I knew what the 2A is about?) you would respect a business owner's rights and simply not patronize their business while armed (or at all if you do not want to be unarmed). Your "continue[d] push for the recognition and protection of our Second Amendment CIVIL RIGHT" seems to be at odds with your philosophical view of civil and personal property rights.
Peggy Reist
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The reason for that, at least in my case, is that the gun shows are by far the best place to buy. There are currently no stores around here that sell a good selection of guns. Pawn shops have very few and you probably know what Walmart has. Same with ammo. At gun shows I can buy about anything I want that's legal.
There's supposed to be a DlCK's sporting goods store coming to a nearby town, but I haven't heard when.
