Grognard Gunny:222277 said:What would you do as another customer if this happened in the store you were in?
who would stand up for what is right and confront them? Who believes its not their problem, and have no duty?
Try to stay out of the way. If, however, the "mob" tried to turn on me or mine....... show time!
GG
How long do we as a society stand by and watch wrong flourish, until we do become completely policed?
Activate the lightning field and fire the cannons. :sarcastic:
Flash Mob?? LOL, how cool would it be have auto locking doors, a flashbang, tear gas, then a auto paintgun with hardened paintballs. I mean, some of these prisons use rubber bullets in their shotguns, why not hardened paintballs. anyone stands up, BAM! all while 911 is notified. (some group would probably call that cruel and unusual punishment though).
IF you step up in front of them and walk forward and say get out and block their way in when they come forward you can shoot. They were a theat to you. You tryed to stop them by blocking them they came to go over you, your in fear of losing your life. You shoot.
It takes guts to stand in front of them and do that. But that what it takes.
Guts and a shotgun.
Uhhh!!!:fie: After reading all 10 pages. I have ended up with the conclusion that most of you that posted have no problem killing someone for stealing $20 worth of items. While that fact bothers me that you place such a low dollar amount on a human life. While their actions are wrong and illegal it does not give you the right to shoot them. Where I live you need to be in fear for your life to use deadly force and having 20 to 30 kids stealing items from the store I am working at does not cause me to fear for my life. The other thing most have forgotten or chose to ignore was there where others in the store when the flash-mob came in, so locking the doors and spraying pepper spray on everyone would not be the wisest thing to do.
And I agree that if this type of behavior is not stopped it will cause the price of items to go up even more to pay for the increase in the insurance premiums. But using force to stop a peaceful mob will cause problems.(Peaceful is being used due to the mob just stealing items and not causing harm to people) None of the people in the flash mob had weapons in their hands mainly due to their hands being full of plundered booty. Now imagine them with weapons in their hands coming to take the items they took. The store clerk can now use deadly force but as soon as he starts shooting them one of two things will happen.
1. The mob sees it members are being dropped and realize that they might be next and leave.
2. The store clerk is now a target that has to be eliminated so the mob can continue to plunder.
While I hope the first one is what happens I don't think it will always be the one that happens.
Ok I can already here some of you calling me names. But to prove my point look at this flash mob where the sore clerk tried to stop the mob by closing the doors.
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And yes this flash mob is black and the store clerk was white.
:sarcastic: Damn Blacks why can't you just do flash mobs where you dance like the whites do. I know I said y'all needed to quite dancing all the time but this is the one time I wished y'all were dancing instead of committing a crime and making the rest of us look bad.:sarcastic:
After watching the video you should be able to see why some of us say let them take it for we place a greater importance on our life then the items being stolen. The problem you face when choosing to pull your firearm is how many people will you need to shoot before the mob turns away. What number did you come up with? The firearm I carry has 16 bullet plus the 2 spare mags I carry so that give me 46 bullet. Now lets add 8 seconds to change the magazine if the first 16 bullets did not stop the mob. Do you fell that 8 seconds is enough time to reload your firearm before you are surround by the mob? Ok the if's are high on what one could do but for me it would be safer for me to keep my firearm concealed.
Uhhh!!!:fie: After reading all 10 pages. I have ended up with the conclusion that most of you that posted have no problem killing someone for stealing $20 worth of items. While that fact bothers me that you place such a low dollar amount on a human life. While their actions are wrong and illegal it does not give you the right to shoot them. Where I live you need to be in fear for your life to use deadly force and having 20 to 30 kids stealing items from the store I am working at does not cause me to fear for my life. The other thing most have forgotten or chose to ignore was there where others in the store when the flash-mob came in, so locking the doors and spraying pepper spray on everyone would not be the wisest thing to do.
.......After watching the video you should be able to see why some of us say let them take it for we place a greater importance on our life then the items being stolen. The problem you face when choosing to pull your firearm is how many people will you need to shoot before the mob turns away. What number did you come up with? The firearm I carry has 16 bullet plus the 2 spare mags I carry so that give me 46 bullet. Now lets add 8 seconds to change the magazine if the first 16 bullets did not stop the mob. Do you fell that 8 seconds is enough time to reload your firearm before you are surround by the mob? Ok the if's are high on what one could do but for me it would be safer for me to keep my firearm concealed.
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