Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed SB 1113 into law today which makes it legal for CCW permit holders to carry guns into restaurants and bars as long as they don't consume alcohol and the owner hasn't posted a sign prohibiting firearms on the premises.
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It's about time that Arizona joined the approximately 40 states that allow this. Her predecessor Janet Napolitano (now Homeland Security Secretary) vetoed essentially the same bill. Anyway...I don't have to tell you about Napolitano and her 2nd Amendment views...they're well known. It's refreshing to have someone like Jan Brewer as Governor of Arizona. BTW: She spoke at the NRA Convention in May here in Phoenix. She was on the program with people like Ted Nugent.
One problem I see with the bill is that the sign will not be posted at the entrance but next to the liquor license. Most bars I have been in have the license posted behind the bar. Which means you would not see it until you have already entered.[/quot1]
There was a lot of debate about the posting of the sign. This was amended a couple of times. I think that we need to read the final Bill signed by Gov. Jan Brewer.
Here's my concern...a group of licensed-for-concealed-carry folks enter an establishment where alcohol is served. One of them is carrying. That person orders a non-alcoholic beverage. Next round, the gun is passed to the right and that person, who consumed an alcoholic drink in the first round, now orders a non-alcoholic beverage. And so on and so on. Technically, the person carrying the gun, is not consuming alcohol. Does anyone know if this bill specifies that a gun toter must not have any alcohol in his/her system...or only that a gun carrier not consume alcohol while carrying.
Is it your impression then that this same group of folks have thus far refrained from carrying their weapons into a bar?Here's my concern...a group of licensed-for-concealed-carry folks enter an establishment where alcohol is served. One of them is carrying. That person orders a non-alcoholic beverage. Next round, the gun is passed to the right and that person, who consumed an alcoholic drink in the first round, now orders a non-alcoholic beverage. And so on and so on. Technically, the person carrying the gun, is not consuming alcohol. Does anyone know if this bill specifies that a gun toter must not have any alcohol in his/her system...or only that a gun carrier not consume alcohol while carrying.
Passing this law simply allows the sensable armed citizens to protect themselves while inside these establishments. The un-sensable folks you describe, wouldn't even bother passing one gun around. They would most likely each have their own gun, and no permit to carry it.Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.-Thomas Jefferson
This statement is made by the antis (not calling you one) everytime ANY gun restriction is relaxed. It never happens.The days of the the Wild West may be about to return.
No problem, and no offense taken. I just wanted to try to point out how the anti's and the media have instilled these "Wild West" fears into us, and how it never happens the way they predict.Well, it looks like I'm a minority of one on this issue. Gotta admit, I hope you're right and that I'm wrong. Time will tell. I wasn't trying to demean the overwhelming number of law-abiding concealed carriers. If I unintentionally slighted anyone, I do apologize. By the way, I'll still look for a corner seat the next time I'm in a pub.
You really go out of your way to dream up bizarre scenarios to worry about don't you. We have legal carry where alcohol is served here in Nevada and we may drink too (.10 is the limit while armed). I have never heard anyone suggest such a bizarre activity--not even as a joke....a group of licensed-for-concealed-carry folks enter an establishment where alcohol is served. One of them is carrying. That person orders a non-alcoholic beverage. Next round, the gun is passed to the right and that person, who consumed an alcoholic drink in the first round, now orders a non-alcoholic beverage. And so on and so on...
The 2009 Legislative session ran from January 12, 2009 through July 1, 2009.
Firearms related bills that AzCDL monitored are listed below.
The effective date of legislation, signed by the Governor, is September 30th.
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