Carry at Work


mncarrydude

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Sorry if this has come up before, did a search and to no avail, can't find.

I'm in MN and work for a company that is nation wide with a no firearms policy. The question that I am asking (I do work three days a week where it is either a really bad area or bears) is "what's more important, my job or my life?"
 

I'm not supposed to carry at work either but i do and nobody knows,thats what is great about pocket carry,(as long as you know you don't have to pass through any metal detectors)you don't have to worry about your gun accidently showing.it's up to you to deceide if your life or your job is more important.
 
That's up to you. I would assume that - for most people - your life is significantly more important than your job. (Maybe if you're a nuclear power plant operator and your plant is about to experience catastrophic meltdown, and you are the only person who can stop it by doing something that would kill you - or you could run away and live, *THEN* your job would likely be more important than your life. But that's subjective, and a made-up absolutist scenario.)

But, the other question is, would NOT carrying a gun GUARANTEE your death? No, no it would not (unless you're in the military in a position that you directly and often go into a position to kill enemies that are armed and trying to kill you.) So it's not actually a question of "your life or your job", it's a question of "the risk of personal injury or death or your job." Has anyone else at your job been killed on the job, or travelling to or from the job, in the past? If not, then it's not even MUCH of a risk.

So it's really, "your principles on the stance of personal gun ownership or your job."

And that decision is entirely up to you to decide. If you can readily get a different job that can support your lifestyle that DOES allow you to carry your gun, then do so. If it would require a significant adjustment in your lifestyle (moving to another state, accepting a large pay cut, working hours that are severely detrimental to your personal life,) then you really have to decide how important your principles on personal gun ownership are.

Right now, I work in the downtown of a large-ish city. I live in a safe neighborhood. I can bike commute, commute by bus, or drive. All through safe neighborhoods. My employer presently "doesn't bar" carrying a concealed weapon, legally permitted. Mostly because I'm sure the legal department just never thought about it. If something were to happen and my employer changed their policy to disallow guns, I would stop carrying. I enjoy this company, I enjoy my actual work, I am paid sufficiently to cover my family's lifestyle, I have good opportunities for advancement. The job market for my sector, in this area, still isn't that great.
 
Well if you work at a place and don't approve of the rules maybe you should change employers rather than break the rules. People that violate and or take advantage of the published rules are the ones responsible for our rights being taken away even further. Why would taking a gun where you know you are not supposed to be any better than the criminals doing it? If you were to have to use it you would be fired and probably charged with a crime.
 
To explain a bit better, its a garbage company, and I'm not in the realm of a bad guy as I am a permit holder. A law abiding citizen. Same as the guy in Michigan, and he had to defend his life working for a national company (walgreens) and got fired. At least he wasn't dead. I have been in laments terms been fingered with the international sign for gun and followed twice in two years, just doing my job. Apparently they thought me just looking out for their safety and not running them over, was justifiable in reacting with their actions.
 
As far as I'm concerned my life, Concealed Carry,out of sight, out of mind. If you never need it great, but at least you know it's there.
 
Concealed and nobody knows especially after seeing the story about the disgruntled employee shooting his co workers at the CA quarry
 
If you carry and they DO find out, say during a workers comp injury you are taken to the hospital where it is discovered, you would most likely be fired for breaking company policy. I don't believe it would affect the medical portion of your claim, but definitely could affect the financial side. Just food for thought.

If you can't live with it, switch jobs. Don't lie about something you know they don't want.
 
+1, QFT:
If you can't live with it, switch jobs. Don't lie about something you know they don't want.

Exactly. If it truly is "life and death" to you, then choose life - find another job.

If you insist on CCing somewhere you're not supposed to, you are becoming the thing anti-gun people complain about: A criminal with a gun. (Of course, it depends on your exact laws:) In some states, being in a location with a gun knowing that guns are prohibited is trespassing. Period. No warning needed beforehand, no "give them a chance to leave". If you know your'e not supposed to have one, it's trespassing. And most states have "if you commit a crime with a gun, it becomes a felony," laws (which I think are stupid, but they're there - punish the act that is wrong, not behavior,) therefore you are committing a felony.

If you think your job is worth (depending on your state laws,) committing a felony to keep, then by all means, commit the felony and keep your job - but don't go complaining if you get fired, charged with a crime, and have your Concealed Carry permit taken away. But if you ALREADY think that your job is so dangerous you need a gun, you'd probably be better off getting a new job.

OR - lobby your work to have the rule changed. Present evidence for why you think it is a good idea, preferably with statistics.
 
I have to say it depends. I don't carry at work namely because I can not legally carry in that state. I live in a great state and work in a horrible state and do not have the permit for my work state.

I have a desk job and everyone is required to badge in. Is it secure? No! There is safety on duty but they also do not carry. If something bad happened, there are multiple ways to escape and enough cubes to hide in and move through.

If you have a public facing job (like walgreens) it might be worth it, but depending if its a desk job in a cube farm, it might not be worth it.
 
Sux for you in the state y r in. My state is a shall issue,MN, but my thought on it is need and don't have, yet have and don't need.
 
Personally I stay well clear of carrying at work. My company has the signs on the doors and in my State they carry the weight of the law. If anybody found out I was carrying at work I would defintely be fired, no question about it.

If I get gunned down at work my wife gets the life insurance money - if I get fired we all get nothing. And I have a pretty good job right now.

Seriously, for me the balance between risk of needing it at work and risk if discovered is just very unfavorable but to each his own.
 
Sorry if this has come up before, did a search and to no avail, can't find.

I'm in MN and work for a company that is nation wide with a no firearms policy. The question that I am asking (I do work three days a week where it is either a really bad area or bears) is "what's more important, my job or my life?"

If you cannot answer that then I would recommend you do NOT carry a gun let alone even own one. Now, if you are asking that question just to start a conversation (and you do think your life is much more important than a job of course) then please understand my answer to your (then) rhetorical question comes with all due respect.

So my answer is: DELETED ...I took pity on the poor OP'er.
 
Personally I stay well clear of carrying at work. My company has the signs on the doors and in my State they carry the weight of the law. If anybody found out I was carrying at work I would defintely be fired, no question about it.

If I get gunned down at work my wife gets the life insurance money - if I get fired we all get nothing. And I have a pretty good job right now.

Seriously, for me the balance between risk of needing it at work and risk if discovered is just very unfavorable but to each his own.

So your wife would rather have the money than you? Your life is worth less to her than the insurance money in your mind? ...Just ask'n.
 
I carried on the job. It was against company policy but I broke no laws. No one in management ever found out but I did know of at least five others who carried every day. I was nearing retirement and the loss of the job would not have been convenient but neither would it have been the end of the world.

In the end the decision is all yours. If it bothers you then start looking for other work.
 
I carried on the job. It was against company policy but I broke no laws. No one in management ever found out but I did know of at least five others who carried every day. I was nearing retirement and the loss of the job would not have been convenient but neither would it have been the end of the world.

In the end the decision is all yours. If it bothers you then start looking for other work.

In my state if you carry where it is posted not to you are breaking the law although I don't believe just breaking company policy would violate the law if it is not posted.
The big issue is the liability you are exposing you employer to. It may not be completely his choice. His liability insurance carrier may not let him allow employee CC. If he gets sued because you had to protect yourself the money will come out of his pocket. Why should he have to take that risk when he explicitly said don't do it. Either don't carry, change jobs, or try to get the rules changed but don't decide to expose him to added financial liability just because you choose not to respect his rules.
 
As an Underwriter by trade, the only time guns come up is on inspection when there is one under the counter or otherwise unattended. People carrying a weapon NEVER comes up. Unless the owner has a BIG mouth. As Gump said, "Stupid is as stupid does.) Once I know about it, I have to do something about it as the company dictates.

Now national companies are going to have loss control professionals, attorneys, and others pressuring them and advising about carrying at work. Those are the ones who usually have the most rules. And, their insurance companies MAY direct them of same just because of the numbers involved.
 

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