We have 2000 dollar ars and hi point carbines in both 40 and 9mm. The high point is a hoot to shoot. Put a cheap red dot on it and you will put magazine loads in a paper plate at 100 yards...just like my 17 year old daughter can do. Because of its size it will make a great home defense weapon and because of the calibers you don't need to worry about putting a round through a home invader a dog the wall of the house and into the neighbors home. A lot of fun for less than 400 bucks.