Can I Use Deadly Force to Defend My Home?

[Deanimator]

I can guarantee you if Zimmerman could transcend time knowing what he knows today, he never would have gotten out of his car that night. Now he will never have a thing financially for the rest of his life. Whatever he acquires will be taken from him. Remember, he owes this money to lawyers. Wilson was never charged. He had no choice, Zimmerman did. If there will or won't be civil action against him, (Wilson), remains to be seen.

But we were talking about self-defense itself, not getting out of cars. The CLEAR implication was that if I shoot somebody unlawfully in my home without invitation (never mind with an axe), or who attempts to rob or murder me, that somehow my life will be destroyed by involvement in the legal system.

Well as I said, I GUARANTEE that you won't have any legal problems (other than bankruptcy) if you LET somebody cripple or murder you.

Basically what's being advocated is "dhimmi" status in a NON-religious context.

Sorry, I won't submit to, or run from Islamists, or to common criminals either.

 

[Deanimator]

It is very simple, so simple in fact that the liberals on here (we all know who I am talking about, except the liberals themselves) cannot think it through logically...... They think their feelings trump logic and facts, and that we should all think like they do... what an utterly repulsive idea..., to think like a liberal....

I make no secret of being a liberal.

If I see you going OUT my window with my DVD player, I'm not going to shoot you.

If I see you coming IN, and you don't IMMEDIATELY stop when challenged, or worse if you APPROACH me after being told to stop, you're getting shot until you're no longer a threat. I don't care if I SEE a weapon (or anything that could be USED as a weapon) or not. If you don't flee or you ignore my commands to leave or at least stop in place, you're a THREAT.

The INSANE idea that somebody has a DUTY, moral OR legal to flee ones own home in the face of deadly force attack, rather than defend oneself is of a kind with the thugs' "posses'" assertion that it's "murder" to shoot somebody who's VOLUNTARILY made himself an immediate and credible threat to life and limb by engaging in forcible robbery or rape.

Don't get the idea that just because I don't care if you marry George Michael, or smoke dope (and not drive later) at the wedding reception, that I have one IOTA of sympathy for the Michael Browns and Joshua Komisarjevskys of the world.

 

[billt]

I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SHOOT ANYONE WHO HAS BROKEN INTO MY HOME, because their very act of BREAKING INTO MY HOME shows THEY GAVE ME PERMISSION TO SHOOT THEM THE VERY SECOND THEY BROKE IN...

My God is your head firmly up your ass and locked. Climb up on to the witness stand, and speak into the microphone while telling that to the prosecuting attorney, no mind. See if you get any further than an orange jump suit, and a set of leg bracelets. But I have to admit, you have made me realize the flaw in my thinking. I understand now. About the only thing more worthless than your putrid life, would more than likely be your empty bank account, coupled with the way you think. Based on that simple fact, it explains why your so willing to go A-Team on the neighbors 12 year old, for taking your precious Black Friday special. To paraphrase the 70's Billy Preston hit, "Nothing From Nothing Leaves Nothing". It would be futile for you to worry about any type of civil action, so why the hell not blaze away? It makes perfect sense. You can't get blood out of a stone, anymore than someone would find anything to be gained by chasing your penniless ass around a courtroom. Much like today's low life's in the minority community, where the murder rate has skyrocketed. They, much like you, have nothing to lose. All of you fall under that massive net of idiots with guns.

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That is in sharp contrast to someone like myself, who has worked their entire life securing a prosperous retirement through diligent investing. I would actually think before I made the decision to kill someone. Rather than base it on some preconceived act of "permission", that you've managed to cook up inside that empty head of yours. You're quite a piece of work. Entertaining, except for the fact you are actually running around with a gun with that idiotic attitude. Do yourself a big favor. Purchase an hour of an attorney's time. They'll set that empty mind of yours straight about all of this. The first $60 an hour ambulance chaser you come across on the back of the phone book will do. He couldn't give you any worse advice than the nonsense you're trying to put forth here. It won't even cost you as much as that DVD player you're so willing to 86 the neighbors kid over.

 

[billt]

But we were talking about self-defense itself, not getting out of cars. The CLEAR implication was that if I shoot somebody unlawfully in my home without invitation (never mind with an axe), or who attempts to rob or murder me, that somehow my life will be destroyed by involvement in the legal system.

Well as I said, I GUARANTEE that you won't have any legal problems (other than bankruptcy) if you LET somebody cripple or murder you.

Basically what's being advocated is "dhimmi" status in a NON-religious context.

Sorry, I won't submit to, or run from Islamists, or to common criminals either.

No one is telling you to run or retreat from anyone for any reason. There is a big difference in killing someone who is a direct threat to your life, regardless of where he is located, or killing the neighbors unarmed kid who just pi$$ed all over himself starring down the barrel of your weapon, and who is a no greater threat to you than my Poodle. All I'm putting forth is what should go unsaid to anyone with enough brains to handle a firearm. Recognize the threat, (if there even is one), BEFORE making the decision to shoot. In most circles that goes without saying. Here it appears to be another story. As far as your life being destroyed by the legal system, that WILL take place if you shoot an unarmed kid, or anyone else, who is not a direct physical threat to you. Something you should have ascertained BEFORE you made the decision to drop the hammer. Killing an "assailant" who is not an assailant is not going to go well for you, and will in fact destroy your life.


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If the threat is REAL, and your life actually is in danger, and not just perceived to be, then fire away. You have no other choice. We make choices every day. Sometimes we make bad ones. When we do there is always a price to be paid. When it comes to taking someone's life, you damn well better make the right one. Killing someone only because you have this pre conceived notion that "it's your right" to do so, does not fall into that category. Regardless of where, or how you kill him.

 

[Axeanda45]

I make no secret of being a liberal.

If I see you going OUT my window with my DVD player, I'm not going to shoot you.

If I see you coming IN, and you don't IMMEDIATELY stop when challenged, or worse if you APPROACH me after being told to stop, you're getting shot until you're no longer a threat. I don't care if I SEE a weapon (or anything that could be USED as a weapon) or not. If you don't flee or you ignore my commands to leave or at least stop in place, you're a THREAT.

The INSANE idea that somebody has a DUTY, moral OR legal to flee ones own home in the face of deadly force attack, rather than defend oneself is of a kind with the thugs' "posses'" assertion that it's "murder" to shoot somebody who's VOLUNTARILY made himself an immediate and credible threat to life and limb by engaging in forcible robbery or rape.

Don't get the idea that just because I don't care if you marry George Michael, or smoke dope (and not drive later) at the wedding reception, that I have one IOTA of sympathy for the Michael Browns and Joshua Komisarjevskys of the world.

easy dude... I was talking to billy boy....

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[Axeanda45]

No one is telling you to run or retreat from anyone for any reason. There is a big difference in killing someone who is a direct threat to your life, regardless of where he is located, or killing the neighbors unarmed kid who just pi$$ed all over himself starring down the barrel of your weapon, and who is a no greater threat to you than my Poodle. All I'm putting forth is what should go unsaid to anyone with enough brains to handle a firearm. Recognize the threat, (if there even is one), BEFORE making the decision to shoot. In most circles that goes without saying. Here it appears to be another story. As far as your life being destroyed by the legal system, that WILL take place if you shoot an unarmed kid, or anyone else, who is not a direct physical threat to you. Something you should have ascertained BEFORE you made the decision to drop the hammer. Killing an "assailant" who is not an assailant is not going to go well for you, and will in fact destroy your life.


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If the threat is REAL, and your life as actually in danger, and not just perceived to be, then fire away. You have no other choice. We make choices every day. Sometimes we make bad ones. When we do there is always a price to be paid. When it comes to taking someone's life, you had better make the right one. Killing someone only because you have this pre conceived notion that "it's your right" to do so, does not fall into that category. Regardless of where, or how you kill him.

so says the liberal.... blame the victim first mentality.... Heres an idea for ANYONE, EVEN 12 YR OLD THIEVES... Dont want shot? then dont break into peoples houses...

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[Axeanda45]

My God is your head firmly up your ass and locked. Climb up on to the witness stand, and speak into the microphone while telling that to the prosecuting attorney, no mind. See if you get any further than an orange jump suit, and a set of leg bracelets. But I have to admit, you have made me realize the flaw in my thinking. I understand now. About the only thing more worthless than your putrid life, would more than likely be your empty bank account, coupled with the way you think. Based on that simple fact, it explains why your so willing to go A-Team on the neighbors 12 year old, for taking your precious Black Friday special. To paraphrase the 70's Billy Preston hit, "Nothing From Nothing Leaves Nothing". It would be futile for you to worry about any type of civil action, so why the not blaze away? It makes perfect sense. You can't get blood out of a stone, anymore than someone would find anything to be gained by chasing your penniless ass around a courtroom. Much like today's low life's in the minority community, where the murder rate has skyrocketed. They, much like you, have nothing to lose. All of you fall under that massive net of idiots with guns.

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That is in sharp contrast to someone like myself, who has worked their entire life securing a prosperous retirement through diligent investing. I would actually think before I made the decision to kill someone. Rather than base it on some preconceived act of "permission", that you've managed to cook up inside that empty head of yours. You're quite a piece of work. Entertaining, except for the fact you are actually running around with a gun with that idiotic attitude. Do yourself a big favor. Purchase an hour of an attorney's time. They'll set that empty mind of yours straight about all of this. The first $60 an hour ambulance chaser you come across on the back of the phone book will do. He couldn't give you any worse advice than the nonsense you're trying to put forth here. It won't even cost you as much as that DVD player you're so willing to 86 the neighbors kid over.

see my above post you liberal piece of ****.... YOU think and proclaim that the frigging rhieves have more rights than the true victim does...

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[billt]

I will try, once again, to try and explain it so maybe even the stupidest of them might, just might comprehend it.... Dont want to get shot and possibly killed? Then DO NOT BREAK INTO SOMEONE ELSE'S HOUSE OR PROPERTY..... Because, when YOU DO, YOU have shown yourself as a threat... period, end of story.......

You giving legal advice on this forum is akin to a flight attendant making an instrument landing in a wide body jet. Both are painful to watch.

 

[billt]

see my above post you liberal piece of ****.... YOU think and proclaim that the frigging rhieves have more rights than the true victim does...

So excited you can't even spell. But I'm sure you'll make the right decision running around with a loaded weapon.

 

[Deanimator]

You giving legal advice on this forum is akin to a flight attendant making an instrument landing in a wide body jet. Both are painful to watch.

The flight attendant, and indeed even the dimmest, most larcenous baggage handler know that flying the plane into a building is a bad idea. That takes neither a pilot's license nor a degree in aeronautical engineering.

It is 100% UNDENIABLE that NOT being ILLEGALLY in somebody's home is an EXCELLENT way to NOT get shot... FOR BEING ILLEGALLY IN SOMEBODY'S HOME. I've managed not to get shot while committing a burglary or home invasion by not... committing home invasions and burglaries. ASTONISHING, no?

If you're too dumb to not UNLAWFULLY enter an OCCUPIED dwelling, you're probably too stupid to live.

14,000 years ago, people that dumb wandered away from the family fire and got eaten by something before they were able to pass their defective genes on to future generations.

Your greed and stupidity impose upon me ZERO duty to assume ANY risk associated with your criminal acts.

 

[whodat2710]

You giving legal advice on this forum is akin to a flight attendant making an instrument landing in a wide body jet. Both are painful to watch.

Did ya hear about the lady pretending to be a lawyer, who negotiated plea bargains (pretty sweet ones) for her clients? Don't know where it'll end up since it is still ongoing, but that is not the point. The point is that it doesn't take a lawyer to read and understand a law. The trick lawyers learn is to research stuff and find case law and verdicts to try and twist the law to their purposes.

 

[CharlesMorrison]

My God is your head firmly up your ass and locked. Climb up on to the witness stand, and speak into the microphone while telling that to the prosecuting attorney, no mind. See if you get any further than an orange jump suit, and a set of leg bracelets. But I have to admit, you have made me realize the flaw in my thinking. I understand now. About the only thing more worthless than your putrid life, would more than likely be your empty bank account, coupled with the way you think. Based on that simple fact, it explains why your so willing to go A-Team on the neighbors 12 year old, for taking your precious Black Friday special. To paraphrase the 70's Billy Preston hit, "Nothing From Nothing Leaves Nothing". It would be futile for you to worry about any type of civil action, so why the not blaze away? It makes perfect sense. You can't get blood out of a stone, anymore than someone would find anything to be gained by chasing your penniless ass around a courtroom. Much like today's low life's in the minority community, where the murder rate has skyrocketed. They, much like you, have nothing to lose. All of you fall under that massive net of idiots with guns.

.

That is in sharp contrast to someone like myself, who has worked their entire life securing a prosperous retirement through diligent investing. I would actually think before I made the decision to kill someone. Rather than base it on some preconceived act of "permission", that you've managed to cook up inside that empty head of yours. You're quite a piece of work. Entertaining, except for the fact you are actually running around with a gun with that idiotic attitude. Do yourself a big favor. Purchase an hour of an attorney's time. They'll set that empty mind of yours straight about all of this. The first $60 an hour ambulance chaser you come across on the back of the phone book will do. He couldn't give you any worse advice than the nonsense you're trying to put forth here. It won't even cost you as much as that DVD player you're so willing to 86 the neighbors kid over.

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[billt]

If you're too dumb to not UNLAWFULLY enter an OCCUPIED dwelling, you're probably too stupid to live.

While that may be true in the typical sense of the word, it's not going to carry any weight in the court system that is going to digest and pass you after you try using it for some type of dimwitted legal defense.

 

[billt]

The point is that it doesn't take a lawyer to read and understand a law.

It does to practice it and convince a jury. And it also takes some brains to properly apply common sense. A commodity that is in quite short supply around here. Going by little miss pound the keys of her smart phone, masquerading around giving her legal advice like she just swept it off a barroom floor. The fact of the matter is a gun can get you into far more trouble than it can get you out of. All you need to do is read some of the posts here if you doubt that.

 

[Deanimator]

While that may be true in the typical sense of the word, it's not going to carry any weight in the court system that is going to digest and pass you after you try using it for some type of dimwitted legal defense.

But the perpetrator will never know about it.

And as previously stated, ANY sort of aggressive behavior by a stranger, unlawfully in my home is only going to REINFORCE my protections under castle doctrine in Ohio. If I tell you to "git" and you don't, you'll be there until the paramedics put you in a bag and CARRY you out. I have NO duty to assume ANY risk while in my home. There won't be any "negotiations", "bargaining" or anything of the sort. Get out or get shot. At 3:00am in my living room I have ZERO duty to be a criminal profiler, be a mind reader or be a metal detector operator. I just have to tell you to leave. Don't and you'll probably leave this mortal coil, and the law in Ohio won't TOUCH me. Furthermore, your mutant family can't collect a centime in damages.

If you want to play games with an aggressive intruder, in the dark, at 3:00am knock yourself out. I REFUSE to, and the Ohio Revised Code imposes upon me NO duty to do so.

 

[whodat2710]

It does to practice it and convince a jury. And it also takes some brains to properly apply common sense. A commodity that is in quite short supply around here. Going by little miss pound the keys of her smart phone, masquerading around giving her legal advice like she just swept it off a barroom floor. The fact of the matter is a gun can get you into far more trouble than it can get you out of. All you need to do is read some of the posts here if you doubt that.

I don't know, a gun can get me out of DEAD, and that's good for me.

 

[billt]

If I tell you to "git" and you don't, you'll be there until the paramedics put you in a bag and CARRY you out. Get out or get shot. I just have to tell you to leave......

I agree 100%. You are giving the perpetrator a choice. Leave under his own free will, or else. I would most likely do the exact same thing. That is a far cry from shooting an unarmed intruder on sight, dead in their tracks in cold blood.

 

[billt]

I don't know, a gun can get me out of DEAD, and that's good for me.

Unless you made a bad choice using it. Then, in the aftermath, it will make you wish you were.

 

[Deanimator]

I agree 100%. You are giving the perpetrator a choice. Leave under his own free will, or else. I would most likely do the exact same thing. That is a far cry from shooting an unarmed intruder on sight, dead in their tracks in cold blood.

Of course you have to define "unarmed". Having a screwdriver, crowbar or maglite in your hand is NOT unarmed.

Then there's disparity of force. Somebody the size of Michael Brown could certainly beat you to death.

Again, I CAN'T shoot somebody in my living room if they're not IN my living room in the first place. That is NEVER admitted.

 

[billt]

Of course you have to define "unarmed". Having a screwdriver, crowbar or maglite in your hand is NOT unarmed.

Armed is armed. Any weapon that can do you bodily harm qualifies. My point is very few suburban home burglaries are committed by armed individuals. Especially in cookie cutter, middle class subdivisions. Most are committed by local kids. Young and stupid, but kids none the less. They look for targets of opportunity. Sometimes they get the surprise of their lives. This happened just down the street from me a couple of years ago. The guy behind me worked nights, and was sleeping in the afternoon. His wife was at work, when 2 kids from the adjacent neighborhood climbed over his back wall thinking no one was home, (they rang the bell but he didn't answer), and threw a patio block through his Arcadia Door. He awoke, grabbed his gun, and headed into the family room and ran smack into both of them. They ran back out the door. One managed to get back over the wall, while his buddy wasn't so lucky. He held on to him and called the cops.

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When they arrived the crying little failed robber promptly gave up his buddy. The parents of both gladly paid for a much newer and nicer door for not pressing charges. (They didn't get 10 steps into their crime before being caught). Now, under no mind's interpretation of "the law", she would have promptly killed both of them on the spot. Who made the correct decision?