Can I Use Deadly Force to Defend My Home?

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Can I Use Deadly Force to Defend My Home?

By Home Defense Gun

Using deadly force is a situation I don’t wish on anyone. Deciding when to is a decision you are going to have to make in a matter of seconds if not quicker.

You can though prep yourself before such a situation comes up. First and foremost make sure you thoroughly understand your local laws. Different states and even different cities and counties have very different laws and interpretations of what is allowed.

Next, you have to know the difference between could and should in using deadly force. Just because the law might not convict you doesn’t mean you should always take the shot. We found a great video that walks you through this.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IVUBpnGO3M
Can I Use Deadly Force to Defend My Home? - Home Defense Gun
 
A court is going to decide if your VCR is worth a life. Is it? How many lawyers are you willing to employ over the next 10 years, defending your actions, defending your VCR?
 
N R A said:
A court is going to decide if your VCR is worth a life. Is it? How many lawyers are you willing to employ over the next 10 years, defending your actions, defending your VCR?
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What did i miss here? You have that very distinctive NRA avatar, but you come off sounding like the Liberal Anti's. Maybe I am too used to living in Texas. someone is in your home in the middle of night or middle of day. You have no idea what their motive is. All you know your life is in danger there is a stranger(s) in your home. Unlike uncle Joe that says run to back door and shoot shotgun in air to scare off criminals. All my shots will be aimed at the threat. What makes you think that someone in your home uninvited is there to just to LIGHT FINGER your VCR.
 
The human life is like a honey bee. You can only sting once then it is over. For the bee, death, for the human, financial ruin, social ruin, etc. It is better to take a hike and walk away from "stuff", than kill someone over it. Family, self, then deadly force can be justified as a very last option.
 
I don`t care what the law says (and I`m not looking to hurt anyone), if I find someone in my house that shouldn`t be there (burglar, home invasion, ect) I will do my best to see that they are carried out under a blanket in the end.
 
If you unlawfully enter my home, either knowing that I'm home, or don't leave as soon as you know I'm home, you're a THREAT.

If I tell you to leave and you do ANYTHING threatening, the odds are overwhelming that you're going to get shot.

We have castle doctrine in Ohio. I have NO duty to assume ANY of the risk YOU created by unlawfully entering my home.

And the nice thing is that if it's judged a good shoot, my assailant or his mutant family can sue me all day long; BY LAW they can NEVER collect a penny.
 
opsspec1991 said:
Can I Use Deadly Force to Defend My Home?

By Home Defense Gun

Using deadly force is a situation I don’t wish on anyone. Deciding when to is a decision you are going to have to make in a matter of seconds if not quicker.

You can though prep yourself before such a situation comes up. First and foremost make sure you thoroughly understand your local laws. Different states and even different cities and counties have very different laws and interpretations of what is allowed.

Next, you have to know the difference between could and should in using deadly force. Just because the law might not convict you doesn’t mean you should always take the shot. We found a great video that walks you through this.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IVUBpnGO3M
Can I Use Deadly Force to Defend My Home? - Home Defense Gun
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I fully understand what you are saying but this is a question for what I call the toilet states in this country. I live in SC and I will tell you with a certainty that my house is locked at night---anyone who can enter my home is doing so forcibly and in SC all bets are off for the health and safety of this cretin, whoever he is. Particularly at night, I am not about to submit a questionaire to the gentleman or gentlemen so that I can determine when their lives will end or most certainly be disrupted. I have a locked and secured bedroom door. It is only my wife and I in the house. Everything in all the other rooms worth anything is insured and documented and replaceable--I am not leaving my bedroom to forward the questionaire to them or to ask them if they want a drink of water. I am also insured but I am not replaceable, if they should feel that the questionaire is an affront to their civil liberties and wish to confront me violently over this disagreement. IF THEY ENTER MY BEDROOM, WHICH IS THEIR SECOND FORCIBLE ENTRY IN MY HOME, HOWEVER, IT WILL BE A LIFE CHANGING EVENT IN THEIR LIVES. My only concern after the fact is the replacement of the bedroom door jamb and the carpet. Can I use deadly force to defend my home should read very positively "I will use deadly force to defend my home"--most certainly and overwhelmingly. There are no questions to be asked, there are no conversations to be had, there are no rules to look up. Forcible entry in honored Castle Doctrine in SC is final.
 
N R A said:
The human life is like a honey bee. You can only sting once then it is over. For the bee, death, for the human, financial ruin, social ruin, etc. It is better to take a hike and walk away from "stuff", than kill someone over it. Family, self, then deadly force can be justified as a very last option.
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That advice is for encounters outside the home. But inside the home? At night? With my family sleeping innocently? With kids in the next room? He's going. There is no requirement, even in liberal NYS, to see what he wants. The shooting is justified. Telling your students it's better to take their chances with the intruder than the law is wrong. I've been teaching NRA courses for a very long time as well. And I would advise people in accordance with the PPITH curriculum. But once the threat is in the house one has already failed at PPITH. If one can lock-in a safe room and call police it' certainly better than hunting-down and confronting the burglar. But that's only for personally safety. When there are kids in that home the rules change significantly. Social ruin? How about getting killed? Which would you prefer. How does one explain to their kids that daddy didn't want to risk social ruin to protect them.
 
Deanimator said:
If you unlawfully enter my home, either knowing that I'm home, or don't leave as soon as you know I'm home, you're a THREAT.

If I tell you to leave and you do ANYTHING threatening, the odds are overwhelming that you're going to get shot.

We have castle doctrine in Ohio. I have NO duty to assume ANY of the risk YOU created by unlawfully entering my home.

And the nice thing is that if it's judged a good shoot, my assailant or his mutant family can sue me all day long; BY LAW they can NEVER collect a penny.
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Florida's is much like Ohio's. Break in and you are presumed to be in fear. Ohio's law.
Sec. 2305.63. (A)(1) A person is justified in the use of defensive force against another that is intended or likely to cause death or serious physical harm to the other person and does not have a duty to retreat if the person using the defensive force holds a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or serious physical bodily harm to the person's self or a third person.

(2) For the purposes of division (A)(1) of this section, a person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or serious physical harm to the person's self or a third person when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or serious physical bodily harm to another if both of the following apply:

(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against the other person's will from a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle.

(b) The person who uses the defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act of a type described in division (A)(2)(a) of this section was occurring or had occurred.
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Florida's Law.
776.013 Home protection; use or threatened use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using or threatening to use defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used or threatened was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses or threatens to use defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
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N R A said:
A court is going to decide if your VCR is worth a life. Is it? How many lawyers are you willing to employ over the next 10 years, defending your actions, defending your VCR?
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N R A said:
The human life is like a honey bee. You can only sting once then it is over. For the bee, death, for the human, financial ruin, social ruin, etc. It is better to take a hike and walk away from "stuff", than kill someone over it. Family, self, then deadly force can be justified as a very last option.
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Wow. Here's a little clue for the clueless. It's not about protecting my VCR (DVD recorder). It's all about where my DVD recorder happens to be located, which is INSIDE MY HOME! Personally, I will stick with and act according to what my state law declares:

RCW 9A.52.025
Residential burglary.

(1) A person is guilty of residential burglary if, with intent to commit a crime against a person or property therein, the person enters or remains unlawfully in a dwelling other than a vehicle.

(2) Residential burglary is a class B felony. In establishing sentencing guidelines and disposition standards, residential burglary is to be considered a more serious offense than second degree burglary.

RCW 9A.52.040
Inference of intent.

In any prosecution for burglary, any person who enters or remains unlawfully in a building may be inferred to have acted with intent to commit a crime against a person or property therein, unless such entering or remaining shall be explained by evidence satisfactory to the trier of fact to have been made without such criminal intent.

RCW 9A.16.050
Homicide — By other person — When justifiable.

Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:

(1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his or her presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or

(2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his or her presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he or she is.
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You are asking the wrong person if you are asking me if the criminal's life is worth a VCR - you need to be asking the criminal if they think their life is worth entering my home to attempt to steal my VCR. You enter into my home illegally, I'm not going to stop and ask you if you would like a shopping a bag to put my DVD recorder in. I'm not going to hesitate at all...

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I'm not going to shoot somebody climbing out the window with my fifteen year old VCR.

On the other hand, if they're climbing IN, and keep coming when they see me, their MOS changes to "bullet trap".

An intruder who doesn't IMMEDIATELY leave when confronted by an inhabitant has other things on his mind besides property.
 
Kennydale said:
What did i miss here? You have that very distinctive NRA avatar, but you come off sounding like the Liberal Anti's. Maybe I am too used to living in Texas. someone is in your home in the middle of night or middle of day. You have no idea what their motive is. All you know your life is in danger there is a stranger(s) in your home. Unlike uncle Joe that says run to back door and shoot shotgun in air to scare off criminals. All my shots will be aimed at the threat. What makes you think that someone in your home uninvited is there to just to LIGHT FINGER your VCR.
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Really, we almost found out how wrong it could be to just blaze away.

I have to give credit to my wife for not doing what I told her to do, "Shoot first and ask questions later if someone enters our home."

We live back on a two mile road our only neighbor is the County Judge and he and his wife both work during the day so while I'm at work which is most of the time my wife is home alone.

Our garage has an outside entrance from the fenced back yard and there is a door in the garage that enters our utility room in the house.

Deb was upstairs and thought she heard a vehicle outside, she came down and heard somebody in the garage. She grabbed her 12 gauge, walked into the utility room just as someone was wiggling the door handle on the locked door.

Instead of blowing a hole through the door she hollered, "I have a gun". then she heard someone running and the door into the back yard slam open.

She ran out the back door as the person was running toward the gate, she hollered Stop and he stopped, raised his hands, turned around and said, "isn't this the judge's house we are suppose to install carpet?"

She then found out that the Judge told them, "I'll be at work, the garage door will open and there is a door in the garage that will take you into the kitchen".

The only problem was they had the wrong house and if our utility room door wasn't locked, or if my wife had just shot through the door it could have turned into a real nightmare.

I now look at it the same way as I do with my concealed carry license, If my life or the life of another is in danger, I will have no problem shooting to eliminate the danger.
 
Debray said:
Really, we almost found out how wrong it could be to just blaze away.

I have to give credit to my wife for not doing what I told her to do, "Shoot first and ask questions later if someone enters our home."

We live back on a two mile road our only neighbor is the County Judge and he and his wife both work during the day so while I'm at work which is most of the time my wife is home alone.

Our garage has an outside entrance from the fenced back yard and there is a door in the garage that enters our utility room in the house.

Deb was upstairs and thought she heard a vehicle outside, she came down and heard somebody in the garage. She grabbed her 12 gauge, walked into the utility room just as someone was wiggling the door handle on the locked door.

Instead of blowing a hole through the door she hollered, "I have a gun". then she heard someone running and the door into the back yard slam open.

She ran out the back door as the person was running toward the gate, she hollered Stop and he stopped, raised his hands, turned around and said, "isn't this the judge's house we are suppose to install carpet?"

She then found out that the Judge told them, "I'll be at work, the garage door will open and there is a door in the garage that will take you into the kitchen".

The only problem was they had the wrong house and if our utility room door wasn't locked, or if my wife had just shot through the door it could have turned into a real nightmare.

I now look at it the same way as I do with my concealed carry license, If my life or the life of another is in danger, I will have no problem shooting to eliminate the danger.
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Hola. Donde esta el juez por favor?
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No. El juez no vivo aqui. Vamanos. Rapido.
 
N R A said:
A court is going to decide if your VCR is worth a life. Is it? How many lawyers are you willing to employ over the next 10 years, defending your actions, defending your VCR?
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I have a firm on retainer with coverage for any costs. Does the criminal have a lawyer that can bring him back to life. Righteous shooting in Ohio or Florida and the case brought by his heirs will die before getting there. Now if we could just get the Feds to keep their noses out of everything, we'd be all set.
 
Ghost Rider said:
I don`t care what the law says (and I`m not looking to hurt anyone), if I find someone in my house that shouldn`t be there (burglar, home invasion, ect) I will do my best to see that they are carried out under a blanket in the end.
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If you ever have to use your weapon to defend yourself (as opposed to defending your betamax) then you and your attorney will cringe as the prosecutor reads that statement over and over and over in closing arguments.

"Ladies and Gentleman, when Mr. Rider shot the burglar, he wasn't fearful of harm to himself. He was simply doing his best to see that the burglar was carried out under a blanket. It didn't matter to Mr. Rider whether the burglar was a 10 year old girl he found in his house that shouldn't be there or a big burly burglar threatening to kill Mr. Rider. He was going to make sure "that they were carried out under a blanket in the end." He killed another person not out of fear for his own well being but rather out of anger about someone being in his house who shouldn't be there."

Internet bravado can come back to bite ya. Be careful.
 
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