I have a Mossberg 500 in 410 bore. It holds 5 rounds. A slug fired from a 410 bore shotgun develops 600-800 pounds of muzzle energy or the same or more than a 357 magnum. Winchester makes a shell dubbed "Stop The Threat" that has 3 projectiles and 12 BBs. The recoil is light making it easier to accurately rapid fire. A 410 in home defense situations is VERY lethal. An earlier post said a 22 can be fatal is also correct. Remember several of the worlds agentcies use the 22 for assinations. As always the gun in your hand beats no gun EVERY time.If you don't mind shorter barrels there is the Judge from Taurus .410 ga. or .45 Colt, or the Governor from S&W.410 2 1/2", .45 ACP, .45 Colt. Neither one has as long a barrel as you wished for but the Taurus can be had with a 6-1/2" barrel.
They are "just" .410's but I really want to get hit with that.
I hope not .22 cal .....lol....
If you don't mind shorter barrels there is the Judge from Taurus .410 ga. or .45 Colt, or the Governor from S&W.410 2 1/2", .45 ACP, .45 Colt. Neither one has as long a barrel as you wished for but the Taurus can be had with a 6-1/2" barrel.
They are "just" .410's but I really want to get hit with that.
I still say this:
If you plan to stand your ground (stay in one place to wait for help), a shotgun is an option.
If you plan to clear your own home (not smart), use a handgun.
It is far too easy (even for me) to grab a long gun out of your hands as you come around a corner.
Imagine I'm the BG (aka 'Bag Guy'). You (homeowner) are coming to get me by clearing your own home. I'm waiting for you on one side of a 90 degree corner (inside the bathroom door, or possibly in the kitchen- either way, just around the corner.) I hear you (homeowner) coming and I know you can't see me. At the very second I see that long barrel come around that corner, I'm going to reach out with both hands, grab the barrel of the gun, and take it away from you. Then I'm going to shoot you with your own gun.
Does this happen? Yes, it does, and I've done it many times, while playing 'bad guy' in a training scenario.
Learn to think like the 'bad guy' does in order to out-plan him. Have your friends play 'Bad Guy' and you (homeowner) use a broom stick, piece of foam pipe insulation, water noodle, etc as a shotgun/rifle. Their goal is to grab the broomstick/foam tube/etc "gun" away from you every chance they get. You, too will learn the lesson I learned through training.
BTW, rifle rounds will penetrate the walls of your home and cause damage/injuries/deaths to disinterested parties. Yes, we have done that training many times, too.
I know someone reading this is thinking that I have no frickin' clue what I'm talking about, so you all try the broomstick "gun" training trick ASAP, and get back to me with what you learned. I really do want someone to get back to me. It will open your eyes pretty quick.
If my advice helps 1 person, I'm thrilled. If I help 1,000 people....you know what I'm about to say.
My 44 spl. for immediate threat and 12 gauge for potential, looming threat.There are 2 firearms in my house that are kept at condition 1 status 24/7.
My .45 for an immediate threat and a 12 gauge for any potential, looming threat.
Have not owned an 870 but do have a few 500 Mossbergs plus an old S&W tactical that looks as if it has been well used. What ever you keep just make sure you practice with it enough so that you do not freeze up if the worst happens. Do not be trigger happy but experienced enough so that your muscle memory will release the safety and put your finger where it belongs.
AR-15 or equivalent. I'm no expert but have read many writings of those who may well be, who feel the stopping power and round count available make it the gun you would "use your handgun to fight your way to". Having said that, I'd prefer a Glock or equivalent handgun for maneuverability in the meantime. Shotguns are awesome, don't get me wrong!
Shotguns are great up to a point...Here's why: I have spent hours in training on how to disarm people (bad guys, obviously). We use Red Guns or Blue Guns for this training. For those who don't know, Red Guns and Blue Guns are one-piece, solid resin guns used specifically training and only training.
This is what I have learned about shotguns:
Shotguns (and rifles) are dangerous to YOU during room clearing. As you are clearing, you want to come around a corner, 'slicing the pie' as you move, right? In a narrow hallway, small room, or any close quarters, a bad guy can stay hidden until he sees the barrel come around the corner. He can grab the gun, using the corner as leverage, pull you forward and off-balance, disarm you, and use YOUR gun to shoot you, club you, etc. In close quarters, the shotgun / rifle is no good for clearance. It is good, however, when 'standing your ground' (otherwise to maintain a room and keep it from being breached by BG). That's why I have two shotguns- just to maintain the security of a single room.
If you are using a gun to clear a structure, use a pistol that you can pull closer to your body when cornering. Never extend a gun around a corner where BG can grab it. When you keep the gun close to your body (called "close-combat position"), it is going to be more difficult for BG to grab it.
That's my two cents comment.
I keep my ccw (h&k usp 9mmc) on the nightstand. In the even of a break in I hand that to my wife it's always condition 1 and have her stay put. Then I grab the mossberg JIC 500 from under the bed and go take care of business. Assuming there's time and they make it past my 130lb Rottweiler. Hence the pistol always being condition 1
Hubby and I also have each a condition 1 pistol within reach at night and our first responder, also a 130 lb rottie sleeping on the first floor with a well trained indoor Siamese cat (responder #2 or 1?). A BG have these two to mess up before they can get to us.I keep my ccw (h&k usp 9mmc) on the nightstand. In the even of a break in I hand that to my wife it's always condition 1 and have her stay put. Then I grab the mossberg JIC 500 from under the bed and go take care of business. Assuming there's time and they make it past my 130lb Rottweiler. Hence the pistol always being condition 1
Congrats on getting her into shooting and over her initial fear! Always nice to see a smart man that can educate the people around him about shooting.She's good with a 9 bit would probably e better suite to carry a 380
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