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Beretta U.S.A. Corp. Wins Largest U.S. Military Handgun Contract Since World War II

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All the Beretta reps were pumped at the Shot Show due to this contract. The press release was finally released. I am disapointed by the red tape that prevented the Army and the military from finding us a new service side arm... oh well.

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Not AGAIN!?

Beretta did this last time too... when Sig Sauer came in with the low bid on the M11 9mm the "beauracracy" and chummy relationship the Beretta reps had earned them the highly suspect "second chance" to not only learn of Sig's lower bid, but the chance to under-cut Sig and keep us with the M9.

I really can't be surprised it has happened again - but dang! There's NO WAY Beretta provides a better, less expensive product for the Armed Services than Sig. Cheaper than H&K, but no way better.

Politics - again. Damn.
 
But don't get me wrong...

Not that I'm at all a Beretta-hater, because I'm not.

I'm just not a Beretta lover either. The placement of the safety/decocking lever on the slide combined with the employment of the Oscillating Locking Block (the 'weak link' in the over all design) and the relatively large frame makes the choice easily "beatable" by the smaller, tougher and simpler design of the M11 Sig, and virtually a sea of other options that just can't seem to get the attention Beretta commands from the powers that be.

I'd take a 92F if you gave me one, but when that locking block breaks (and it will in time), you can only throw a pistol at your opponent once!
 
I am not a fan at all. When I was in Hawaii we went to a shooting competition in Austrailia. My unit brought 13 M9s and when we returned 11 were non mission capable. Of the 11, 9 of them had the same fault...the safety broke in half. Basically the safety which connects inside the gun broke and you could hold both safety levers in your hand. That being said, I have not had any problems with them in my few trips to the desert.
 
I don't know much about the engineering aspects of firearms, but I do know a bit about logic, and while its history is replete with success stories regarding it's performance, the 9mm round can be beat, hands-down, by better cartridges. As long as you're going to go non-American, better choices can be found with SIG and GLOCK in .40 caliber. I can't believe that the Beretta is a better firearm than EITHER of these other, proven arms. Springfield Armory has just come out with the XD(m) that provides 17 rounds of .40 . . . the GLOCK 22 can be loaded with 18 rounds!

Someone of you must know . . . just what's so special about the Beretta that makes it a better choice than any of these?
 
Right now it's just easier for the Army to keep what it currently uses vrs doing the work to find a new pistol. there will always be minimum criteria which a new firearm must meet. I am sure one of them will be an external safety...not common on XD and Glocks.
 
I am neither a Beretta hater or Beretta lover. I have the Beretta FS-92 with the stainless slide. It is accurate in my hands, and holds 15 in the mag and 1 in the pipe. However, having said that, heaven help those folks who get some dirt in their slide. This pistol does NOT like dirt in the slide, and may reward the shooter with NO shot to take. My issue would be for some non-combat carry, this arm is fine. If you are going to use it under adverse conditions, a good .45 is as good as any other firearm. They can be much more reliable with some mud on the gun than any Beretta can be. It seems a bad decision for general issue, and will likely be a disaster in the field. My sense is a well-designed newer model 1911 would be fine. There is a reason these .45 guns are still around, and a favorite of many shooters. Having 15 rounds in a magazine is pretty nice, but if you have a slide with mud on it, then those 15 rounds are useless. Just my 2 cents worth.
 

They already did the work, poured millions of dollars into the program, then suspended indefinetly a program to put the .45 back into service in the US military. The Ruger P345 was one of the entrants. Berreta is just too chummy and the army is too lazy. SOCOM and MarSOC has it right. They just special order their own .45's
 
Although I like the 9mm I think there are better guns than Beretta to be had in 9, 45 or what ever the choice is. It may not be a bad gun but it is not the firearm the HK or Sig is.
 
Beretta's design over Army logistics

I completely understand why/how the Army is slow to consider the enormous cost of replacing the M9, or the M-16/M-4 for that matter... (different subject, I know.)

But what I don't get is why Beretta just doesn't "fix" the issues born from their slide-mounted safety/decock and their oscillating locking block. The Taurus version of the same gun at least moves the safety/decock down onto the frame so you're not continually at risk of inadvertently flipping that lever down every time you conduct an emergency reload. Seems to be a relatively simple design issue that COULD be fixed... if they wanted to.
 
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