I'm typing from my phone or I would look up any statute in your area.
He explained that the policy was from corporate and not the store. He did seem quite surprised when I informed him that this was the first time I had been asked to leave a business because of my OC.
Anyway, I will be sending a letter to corporate. I will post their response if I get one.
If the above is true.. Then I hope you include the gentleman's name in your letter.. Maybe HE will be the next person asked to go outside the store..I believe he is a big fat liar. Kohl's has always been a 'we follow state laws' place.
Well it finally happened. After years of OC with no negative interactions I was asked to disarm and told not to carry in their store.
Location: Havana and Mississippi in Aurora.
Time: Approximately 1500
Place: Kohl's
Today I went into Kohl's to exchange a couple online purchases. I walked to the rear of the store to the customer counter. Stood in line for about 10 minutes. Spoke with service desk lady and went to find the item I wanted. Walked around store for about 15 minutes. When I returned to the customer counter there was a man there talking on the phone. He approached me and introduced himself. He then asked if I was law enforcement and when I said no he asked the reason for my carry. He then informed me that they don't allow that there and I would need to exit the store and disarm.
I left the store, placed my firearm inside my vehicle and went back in to further speak with this person. I won't type everything that was said. The conversation did go quite well. He is an ex cop and is now in charge of loss prevention. He explained that the policy was from corporate and not the store. He did seem quite surprised when I informed him that this was the first time I had been asked to leave a business because of my OC.
Anyway, I will be sending a letter to corporate. I will post their response if I get one.
Why e-mail when you can call. I'm on the phone with them now. We shall see if they need to be added to the anti list, or if this was a one time thing.
That's been an awful long phone call! :biggrin:
They gave me the same old line. Our corp policy is a follow all local/state and federal laws pertaining to firearm usage/ownership.
I said by allowing stores to disregard company policy's by asking customers to leave the stores on the grounds they are in violation of company policy.
Can open you up to lawsuit's and or a class action suit.
That's where you probably lose all credibility with them. Unless you have a state law requiring a private property owner to allow customers to possess firearms on their property, I doubt any such threat is taken seriously.
I see three possible ways of approaching the issue with a store, and only one of them seems to me it would be likely to have any success:
1. It's a second amendment issue.
2. I don't feel safe shopping in your store and need a weapon to protect myself
3. It's just a matter a convenience. I am allowed by law to carry my weapon and it is a major inconvenience for customers like me to have to dis-arm before entering your store to do business.
1 and 2 will get you no where. 3 might have some impact.
Open carry is much more a problem. Does a store want people to have the perception that its customers need to be armed while on their premises because they are at risk of being threatened with deadly force?
While a store may be willing to allow its customers to conceal carry, or maybe even open carry, it certainly doesn't want to broadcast the fact as part of its corporate image, just as it doesn't put up big signs saying "made in China" even though in fact most of the items in the store are made in China.
Why not just carry concealed? I really don't understand all this hoopla about wanting your weapon exposed. IMO open carry has a number of serious negatives about criminals and "the public" seeing your weapon. If nobody knows I have a weapon then there is NO negatives for the situation.
30+ years of CC.
Why not just carry concealed? I really don't understand all this hoopla about wanting your weapon exposed. IMO open carry has a number of serious negatives about criminals and "the public" seeing your weapon. If nobody knows I have a weapon then there is NO negatives for the situation.
30+ years of CC.
IF I were going to take this approach, I would NOT post the video. I would contact the store and Tell them I have the video or provide them with a copy of the video.. I then would give them an opportunity to make the situation right..In the age of youtube and live streaming media services you can play the got you game. Film the store employee over stepping their authority and or running his/her mouth about their personal opinion. Then plaster that all over the net. Big companies start to get the point when your effecting their wallets.
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