Alcoohol consumption and KY ccw

[speergold40]

I have several friends who regularly carry after having a few beers. They have told me it's not a big deal as long as you're opnly having a few and not getting "wasted". I definitely wouldn't feel safe around someone who was carrying drunk and I don't drink period so it's null for me. But what I think they also need to be concerned about is the legality of doing that in public. I can find the rules for other states but can anyone tell me or better yet point me in the right direction as to where I can find KY law pertaining to this. I've looked everywhere and it never says specifically just that you can't carry in bars. It makes me wonder if there even is a limit for drinking and carryng. Is it 0.08 just like drinking and driving or would consuming any alcohol be considered illegal? Thanks for your alls feedback. Donny

 

[wolfhunter]

:nono: Alcohol and guns don't mix. I'd find some smarter friends, if I were you.

 

[rrc1962]

In Tennessee, there's no max blood alcohol level. No drinking whatsoever is allowed while carrying. I'd also add that if there was shooting and you managed to get off criminally, ANY alcohol detected would probably guarantee a loss in the civil trial. I can see how a plaintiffs attorney would spin that.

 

[BigRossation]

I believe in Minnesota the limit is .04 for carrying, but my instructor suggested abstaining. It hasn't been hard for me as a firearm safety instructor I swear off alcohol when guns are being handled. I think it's best to not imbibe while carrying.

Something else to think about: In the event of a shooting, it would be harder to defend yourself in court if the record showed you had been consuming whether you were over the limit or not.

 

[krazyk]

I have several friends who regularly carry after having a few beers. They have told me it's not a big deal as long as you're opnly having a few and not getting "wasted". I definitely wouldn't feel safe around someone who was carrying drunk and I don't drink period so it's null for me. But what I think they also need to be concerned about is the legality of doing that in public. I can find the rules for other states but can anyone tell me or better yet point me in the right direction as to where I can find KY law pertaining to this. I've looked everywhere and it never says specifically just that you can't carry in bars. It makes me wonder if there even is a limit for drinking and carryng. Is it 0.08 just like drinking and driving or would consuming any alcohol be considered illegal? Thanks for your alls feedback. Donny

guns and alcohol mix like democracy and freedom. get some better friends,(or @ least be careful) their asking for a date with the judge.

 

[DJ58]

Drinking and carrying do not mix. In Michigan .02 is it. and you can not be in a bar carrying also. Like in my ccw class instuctor said put it in the trunk Don't take it in with you. just asking for trouble.:butcher:

 

[MI .45]

Guns and alcohol is a very bad cocktail. This is an example of where we, as CCW holders have to rise above others and simply not imbibe if carrying. It's my understanding that if one is caught over the limit and the gun is even in the trunk you're in for a whole bunch of trouble. Gun = absolutely no booze. My .02.

 

[LVLouisCyphre]

There's nothing I can find in the KRS. The abstract yardstick is typically the same as DUI in your State if there's no statute specifically addressing possession or carrying a firearm under the influence.

One thing I do not understand is people who have an absolute prohibition attitude about firearms and alcohol who put their CCW in their car have one or two then drive home. If you believe in prohibition with respect to CCW then you should also believe in prohibition with respect to driving. If you don't then you're a hypocrite.

I am also of the frame of thought that if you are responsible and know your limitations then you'll be fine. Realistically you are more likely to get involved in an auto accident after having one or two with a meal and have that bite you than getting involved in a self defense incident.

Know the BAC limit for the State you're in and your physical limitations.

 

[surfcc]

:nono:

I have several friends who regularly carry after having a few beers. They have told me it's not a big deal as long as you're opnly having a few and not getting "wasted". I definitely wouldn't feel safe around someone who was carrying drunk and I don't drink period so it's null for me. But what I think they also need to be concerned about is the legality of doing that in public. I can find the rules for other states but can anyone tell me or better yet point me in the right direction as to where I can find KY law pertaining to this. I've looked everywhere and it never says specifically just that you can't carry in bars. It makes me wonder if there even is a limit for drinking and carryng. Is it 0.08 just like drinking and driving or would consuming any alcohol be considered illegal? Thanks for your alls feedback. Donny

I wouldn't even sniff booze whle carrying. Now, I don't have a problem with carrying if I have to go into the liquor store to get beer, wine, etc to bring home with me. Once home, put the gun away and have a cold one. Boze and guns don't mix.

 

[Glockster20]

Do NOT be under the influence of drugs or alchohol while carrying in AL or your permit is void. I personally think this is a good law. As others have stated, guns & booze = bad news! You might as well douse yourself in gasoline and strike a match!

 

[LVLouisCyphre]

Do NOT be under the influence of drugs or alchohol while carrying in AL or your permit is void. I personally think this is a good law. As others have stated, guns & booze = bad news! You might as well douse yourself in gasoline and strike a match!

AL has some very strange laws.

• May but typically does issue with any set of restrictions the issuing sheriff wishes.
• Recognition and reciprocity with many States.
• No short rifles or shotguns. Silencers, machine guns, large bore destructive devices and AOWs allowed.

It's void if the issuing sheriff says it is or puts it as a restriction on your AL permit (i.e. a qualified permit). AL is may issue with whatever set of restrictions the issuing sheriff wants to put on it or give you an unlimited license with no restrictions. It's also part of Link Removed that the sheriff may revoke any license issued by them for any reason. It's not codified that you'll get your AL license revoked if you're carrying under the influence but there's a very high probability it will.

It's also interesting to note that if you're visiting AL that this does not apply to you. AL sheriffs cannot put any restrictions on a recognized or reciprocal State's CCW. AL sheriffs do not have the authority to revoke a recognized or reciprocal CCW as they did not issue it.

 

[Stratus41298]

:nono: Alcohol and guns don't mix. I'd find some smarter friends, if I were you.

With respect, I can count many times where i've had a beer or two over 3-4 hours at the bar and have been deemed fully alert in those situations. I would appreciate it if you didn't refer to people making the choice to stay protected at one of those "unsafe areas" I keep hearing about as less than smart. CCW is a lifestyle choice and I see it as completely silly to walk into a place where there is other, less responsible peoples getting drunk and possibly causing a ruckus without my firearm. Why should I stay away from alcohol in reasonable consumption while carrying simply because others who are less responsible can't figure out when it's time to stop drinking?

I understand that to many this is a bad combination. There are some times where I would agree, but I have always been responsible with my firearm. That's not to say I haven't had a few close calls to beat it in... I am human afterall. I just think that to call someone stupid for drinking and carrying makes you no better than those who stand against gun rights but think it's okay for guns to protect us from terrorists.

Just my opinion. I respect yours so please respect mine.

 

[Glockster20]

AL has some very strange laws.

• May but typically does issue with any set of restrictions the issuing sheriff wishes.
• Recognition and reciprocity with many States.
• No short rifles or shotguns. Silencers, machine guns, large bore destructive devices and AOWs allowed.

It's void if the issuing sheriff says it is or puts it as a restriction on your AL permit (i.e. a qualified permit). AL is may issue with whatever set of restrictions the issuing sheriff wants to put on it or give you an unlimited license with no restrictions. It's also part of Link Removed that the sheriff may revoke any license issued by them for any reason. It's not codified that you'll get your AL license revoked if you're carrying under the influence but there's a very high probability it will.

It's also interesting to note that if you're visiting AL that this does not apply to you. AL sheriffs cannot put any restrictions on a recognized or reciprocal State's CCW. AL sheriffs do not have the authority to revoke a recognized or reciprocal CCW as they did not issue it.

I agree with you that AL laws ARE strange... The stance on title 2 weapons that you pointed out, etc. Correct about the Sheriff's powers too...

 

[rrc1962]

Along the same lines, I think the law prohibiting carry in an establishment that sells for consumption needs some attention. I agree with the law when it comes to alcohol only establishments (bars), but I think I should be allowed to carry in a restaurant. When was the last drunken brawl at Applebee's or Olive Garden? I have no problem dining beside a responsible carrying citizen who wants to have a couple glasses of wine with dinner.

 

[LVLouisCyphre]

Along the same lines, I think the law prohibiting carry in an establishment that sells for consumption needs some attention. I agree with the law when it comes to alcohol only establishments (bars), but I think I should be allowed to carry in a restaurant. When was the last drunken brawl at Applebee's or Olive Garden? I have no problem dining beside a responsible carrying citizen who wants to have a couple glasses of wine with dinner.

The problem is that you have a very powerful lobbyist to your State legislature, that's why it keeps on getting shot down. Be patient and persistent with your State legislators.

I don't have an issue with bar carry probably because I'm in Nevada and not stepping through a bar or casino is a rarity here. If bar carry were outlawed in NV it would effectively make CCW here as useless as it is there or in NC with the laundry list of prohibited areas.

 

[rrc1962]

Bar only would mean that they only sell alcohol. That would omit any place that also sells food. Around here the alcohol only bars can get pretty rough. Casinos sell food so that shouldn't be a problem. I don't go to bars just because I don't drink, but I do go out to dinner at restaurants that happen to serve alcohol.

 

[LVLouisCyphre]

Bar only would mean that they only sell alcohol. That would omit any place that also sells food. Around here the alcohol only bars can get pretty rough. Casinos sell food so that shouldn't be a problem. I don't go to bars just because I don't drink, but I do go out to dinner at restaurants that happen to serve alcohol.

Real casinos are essentially megamall sized establishments with machines, tables, bars, restaurants and other methods of entertainment.

One of the things that really irks me about people with the holier than thou prohibition attitude about firearms, bars and casinos is that shall issue CCW has worked here in Nevada for about 15 years where bars and casinos were never a prohibited area.

I go to other States where casinos are a prohibited area, shake my head and laugh, "You call that a casino?" :haha:

Also keep in mind that casinos here are pretty strict about security. We don't have that nonsense of roughness in casinos or bars with gaming licenses as it's bad for business and costs the State money.

It's an issue of demographics. The problems here get taken care of quickly as it's bad for business and gaming revenue. If there are problems in your area with the bars then your PD or sheriff's department needs to address it or your county commission or city council needs to start pulling liquor licenses. Restricting lawful CCW there is not the answer.

 

[rrc1962]

I agree, I don't think casinos should be banned. A casino is not a bar. They provide many services, only one of which is alcohol. Alcohol only establishments tend to cater to people who only want to drink since that's pretty much all you can do there. That usually ends up with people getting drunk. I think most decent bars and pubs also serve food so a bar only ban really shouldn't be too hard on most people. Just won't be able to carry into the local biker bar.

 

[abock33]

In KY you CAN carry into any establishment that sells Alcohol for consumption on the property AS LONG AS the food sale is 50% or more of the places profit. This means you CAN carry into places Like Buffalow Wild Wings , Hooters, and other such places. I've talked to the managers at BW3's and their alcohol sales rerely hit 40%. As for the Drinking and Carrying. It's your choice. I have been to places like these and had a beer with dinner. I'm not one to drink alot. ( 2 tall beers is the most i will drink.) That's my choice. as for the law I'm not sure there is one. i will definatly find out and post it.

 

[Ryan H]

Its a double edged sword. I carry into the local Chinese joint every time I go, which isn't often, but they do serve beer and wine. I have never seen anyone drink a beer or glass of wine in there, however.

When it comes to restaraunts with a bar inside, I know legally, with a lawyer, I could get away with it if the SHTF, but I just leave it locked in my car. I have devoted 6 years of my life now finding other means to defend myself without a weapon so I am fairly confident in my ability to get out and away from a situation, or at worst, deal with a confrontation without my firearm. When it comes to bars, I like to sing karaoke and have a good time and drink with my friends so if this is planned in the mix, my gun stays at home. If we end up having to call a cab, I don't want my firearm getting stolen from my car where it is parked overnight under no supervision.

I however haven't been able to find anything saying I can't bring my ASP with me, even to an establishment where alcohol only is served... so I typically will pack the ASP concealed along with a 4oz can of Fox.

Keep in mind however that in FL, we have a concealed weapons licence that is good for any weapon, not just a firearm!

Not having a firearm just means you can't return fire with bullets, but with a good set of martial arts skills and the right tools, you can still manage to get yourself away from a bad situation! If you must put yourself in a bar type situation (like me), then I would highly suggest that one looks into other means of protection for when you have to go without a firearm.