Advances in 9mm??

[Kramer1113]

Well here goes another opinion; I don't like high-pressure rounds. There, I said it.

I carry .45acp in my XD-S for one reason only; it makes all the windows rattle at my favorite indoor range. There, I said that too. I know that's true as my wife was in the showroom talking to the owner, when he commented I better not make him have to re-caulk all his windows.

Carry what you're comfortable with and shoot well. That's all folks!

I agree on most counts.
Guns are Machines. Machines Break. Additional pressure means excess wear to me. Not using +P rounds feels like I'm doing the right thing.
I like my 9mm but I Love my .45.
When I go to the range I start with my .45, it makes my 9mm feel like a pellet gun.

 

[GlassWolf]

Well here goes another opinion; I don't like high-pressure rounds. There, I said it.

I carry .45acp in my XD-S for one reason only; it makes all the windows rattle at my favorite indoor range. There, I said that too. I know that's true as my wife was in the showroom talking to the owner, when he commented I better not make him have to re-caulk all his windows.

Carry what you're comfortable with and shoot well. That's all folks!

really want to shake some windows? Get a .460 Rowland conversion kit with a compensator and throw that on your .45 and watch peoples' faces at the indoor range when you squeeze off a double-tap with that beast. :grin:

I agree on most counts.
Guns are Machines. Machines Break. Additional pressure means excess wear to me. Not using +P rounds feels like I'm doing the right thing.
I like my 9mm but I Love my .45.
When I go to the range I start with my .45, it makes my 9mm feel like a pellet gun.

Carry what you're comfortable with. +P rounds will indeed cause more wear, but the wear is on field serviceable parts. Springs, mainly, and those have to be replaced at regular intervals on all guns anyway, so if I have to replace mine a little sooner in exchange for having more power in my carry loads, I'm OK with that.. I typically don't use +P at the range, though.. I just use cheap ball ammo. If you plan to shoot nothing but +P or +P+, the quick way to greatly reduce wear is to just swap out the guide rod spring for a heavier spring. This is also commonly done in guns that people only use the heaviest loads in, like 147 gr in 9mm, or over-pressure loads, or a combination of these.

 

[bo_leggs]

I agree with Kramer, I like my LC9s, but I love my 45s. Which do I carry, it all depends on the activities of the day.

 

[Warrior1256]

Fifteen years ago 9mm had a crappy reputation as a fight stopper compared to .40 and .45. Test results that I have seen recently seem to indicate much improvement in the 9mm round, although I am certainly no expert in this area. Just my opinion.

 

[Nightmare45]

45 JHP makes me happy, happy, happy.

 

[Johnny Dollar]

When Was The First 9mm Handgun Made?

Interesting discussion on 9mm here

 

[S&W645]

Yet another rant........

Caliber... caliber... mine is better than your because mine is bigger than yours... blah .. blah.. blah...

This never ending caliber pissing contest annoys me to no end because each and every caliber war neglects to address the most important aspect of caliber ... and no, it isn't the size of the bullet!

What is most important is for the person doing the shooting to use the largest caliber bullet that still affords the most effective accuracy!!!! under the real life conditions of a chaotic self defense event. Hint... standing on a "square" range in a perfect stance carefully squeezing the trigger while making sure the sights are aligned for each and every shot has absolutely nothing to do with what happens when bad guys are trying to kill you/rape your wife/daughter... in the dark... in the rain or snow... while you are trying to run backwards/sideways...

Train like real life happens and use the caliber that you can be most accurate with while training like real life happens.

Bottom line (regardless of what super duper self aggrandized "trainer/expert" says)... little bullets that the shooter is able to use to actually make holes are better than big bullets that miss and make no holes. A person using a .22LR that puts all of the rounds on target is more effective than a person using a .45 that can't hit fecal matter because of an inability to control the recoil.

Ignore all the "mine is better than yours" caliber hoopla and find the caliber/gun combination that allows YOU PERSONALLY to make the most accurate hits under real life scenarios. If that happens to be a .45 then good for you... if it happens to be a 9mm then good for you... if it happens to be a .22 then good for you... because when it comes right down to the nitty gritty... no matter what the size of the hits... only hits count.

End what must be my 900th "caliber" rant...

Yep, a .22LR round on target is better than any size that miss. I can dump a mag full ( 16 ) in about 6.5 seconds. Yep, that is going to hurt as they are 40gr CHP. In about the same time ( 12 rounds, 7 seconds ) I can do it with the S&W 4006. I do not want to be on the receiving end of either as it will not be a good day for me.

 

[Happypuppy]

Yep, a .22LR round on target is better than any size that miss. I can dump a mag full ( 16 ) in about 6.5 seconds. Yep, that is going to hurt as they are 40gr CHP. In about the same time ( 12 rounds, 7 seconds ) I can do it with the S&W 4006. I do not want to be on the receiving end of either as it will not be a good day for me.

I believe you sir " get it ". Whatever you can hit what you are aiming or pointing at is better than a lot wishing that you could so so under stress


Go Seahawks!

 

[bo_leggs]

Gunnerbob, thanks for the link to Operation Veterans Relief. There is far to little being done for our vets who are now home recovering from battle wounds by our government. Another good service organizations for helping out vets is Wounded Warrior Project: Wounded Warrior Project - Wounded Warrior Project

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