A Tale of two no-knock raids...


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Both occurred in Texas, both involved officers being shot and killed when they executed no-knock raids, and in neither case did police find what they were looking for.

The difference? One suspect was white, the other is black.

The charges against the white guy were dropped when the grand jury refused to charge him, while the black guy is facing the death penalty. Even the photos used by the press relating to the stories show racial bias, with the story about the white guy showing him playing with his toddler, while they use the mug shot for the black guy.

No-knock raids are getting officers killed and endangering innocent people and animals; to often, the charges upon which they are based turn out to be bogus.

Time to end the practice.

Man Shoots at Intruders, Turns Out it was a No-Knock Raid. Now He Faces the Death Penalty | The Free Thought Project

Thankfully, in Michigan (where I live) defending one's home under these circumstances is a recognized legal right.
 

I agree completely that no-knock raids should be limited to TV cowboy cops. The benefits (catching someone before they flush the drugs or attempt to destroy the evidence) are way outweighed by the risks of death to both officers and innocents, and even criminals who have know way of knowing if it is another criminal breaking in or the police.

In WNY we have had no-knock warrants executed on the wrong premises for a suspected child porn distributor. I can't imagine an argument that would justify taking the risks of death to both the officers and the innocent occupants was worth the benefit of getting the hard drive before the occupant (if it was the right address) could attempt (which would take a lot of effort) to destroy the evidence.

I think the problem is that once you have "swatted" the local police with training and equipment, they want to put it to use and will stretch good policy into bad to use it.

I also agree that it is entirely possible that the indictment of one and not the other may be due to the color of the skin of the defendants, but there may also be many other factors that account for the difference, so while on the surface the two cases might present a study in the way race impacts on the grand jury, it might also not be the case. I think we need to know a lot more about each case before we can make that conclusion.
 
No knock warrants should be made illegal in all of the United States. Too many innocent people are killed when they pick the wrong address. I think that any no knock raid and a person is injured or killed the officer in charge should face charges that would include jail and or the death penalty.
 
If someone is breaking into a persons home, and they have not identified themselves as LEO, then they are fair game to be shot by the those who reside at that residence. Any jury that thinks otherwise is nothing but idiots.
 
Bad guys claiming to be cops.

Resident fights off three home invaders
A man was asleep at home in Albuquerque, N.M. when a trio of armed robbers attempted to gain entry to the residence by claiming that they were police. The criminals ultimately broke down the door and got inside the home. The resident responded by retrieving a gun and firing at the home invaders, striking and killing one, and wounding another. The surviving intruders fled the home, but were later captured by police.

The surviving home invaders have been charged with the murder of their accomplice. Albuquerque Police Department Public Information Officer Tanner Tixier shared some advice for would be intruders with local media outlet KRQE, stating, “What people need to understand is if you join your buddy to go commit a felony and your buddy dies you can be the one who gets charged with murder.” (KRQE, Albuquerque, N.M. 08/20/14)
 
Road Toad said:
If someone is breaking into a persons home, and they have not identified themselves as LEO, then they are fair game to be shot by the those who reside at that residence. Any jury that thinks otherwise is nothing but idiots.
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Absolutely agree. This country, as magnified and assisted by a corrupt federal government led by the girlyman little narcissist idiot and his gestapo attorney general and the dem judges, think they are king turds--they are suppose to be, in this country, no better than you and I--personally, as far as my home is concerned, someone will go to hell before I go to heaven.
 
Stan45 said:
Bad guys claiming to be cops.

Resident fights off three home invaders
A man was asleep at home in Albuquerque, N.M. when a trio of armed robbers attempted to gain entry to the residence by claiming that they were police. The criminals ultimately broke down the door and got inside the home. The resident responded by retrieving a gun and firing at the home invaders, striking and killing one, and wounding another. The surviving intruders fled the home, but were later captured by police.

The surviving home invaders have been charged with the murder of their accomplice. Albuquerque Police Department Public Information Officer Tanner Tixier shared some advice for would be intruders with local media outlet KRQE, stating, “What people need to understand is if you join your buddy to go commit a felony and your buddy dies you can be the one who gets charged with murder.” (KRQE, Albuquerque, N.M. 08/20/14)
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There have been several similar incidents around the country over the past few years. I think one of them in Cleveland or another city in Ohio a year or two ago involved the robbers being dressed as uniformed police officers. Someone reported on the incident on here.

We have had a few recent swat team incidents in Buffalo these past few months, but they were all called to the location rather than police initiated raids. However, what they showed is that the police have sufficient manpower and equipment to wait the targets out. The one swat team incident that involved "going in" was after there was several hours of no response from anyone inside the house. The swat team found there was no one in the house in the first place. But even then, waiting it out for several hours proved much more intelligent and safer than an all out initial assault.

I suppose there might be some instances in which hostages' lives are at stake and it's a matter of either going in to try to save them or waiting it out as they are killed, but outside of that, a no-knock raid makes no more sense than an initial assault when called to a location.

I'd much rather live in a community where the bad guys know that the homeowner's are trigger happy to the full extent allowed by law while inside their castles. That works best in a community where there is a policy against using no-knock warrants. Then the police can say "if someone is breaking into your home, arm yourself and then call us, because it ain't us breaking down your door."
 
With the number of LEGALLY OWNED firearms in the country, not counting those illegal weapons, cops must be totally stupid to attack someone's home in the middle of the night. To me these tactics reek of arrogance and a sense of superiority.
 
Howdy,

kelcarry said:
Absolutely agree. This country, as magnified and assisted by a corrupt federal government led by the girlyman little narcissist idiot and his gestapo attorney general and the dem judges, think they are king turds--they are suppose to be, in this country, no better than you and I--personally, as far as my home is concerned, someone will go to hell before I go to heaven.
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You do realize that "No-knock warrants" started when Reagan was in office, right?

The panty-waisted right was ok with this practice because it made them feel safer.

It's funny how the panty-waisted right want to blame Obama for things they started so they could feel safer. For some unknown reason the panty-waisted right is willing to give up MY RIGHTS so they can feel safer. What up with that?

Paul

P.S. Didn't someone famous say something about willing to give up your Rights just to feel safer? Seems like I remember something about this.
 
Stengun said:
Howdy,



You do realize that "No-knock warrants" started when Reagan was in office, right?

The panty-waisted right was ok with this practice because it made them feel safer.

It's funny how the panty-waisted right want to blame Obama for things they started so they could feel safer. For some unknown reason the panty-waisted right is willing to give up MY RIGHTS so they can feel safer. What up with that?

Paul

P.S. Didn't someone famous say something about willing to give up your Rights just to feel safer? Seems like I remember something about this.
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Uh huh, the modern police state began under someone else besides your Dear Leader... what's your point? Every POTUS for the last century has in one way or another contributed to the demise of American Liberty, Reagan included. So, since you're such a staunch supporter of Individual Liberty and Freedom, can you please explain why you have and currently do support a Fascism-supporting president? Why is that you say you stood against everything that G.W. Bush did but, support everything Barack Obama does, given the policies are near-identical? Can you explain why you opposed the Iraq war but do nothing but preach tactically nuking IS fighters in the Middle East? Do you believe that the murder of innocents under Obama is any less wrong than under Bush? Why is that you say nothing about reversing the geopolitical policies that got us to where we are, that you simply support more of the same, and somehow claim to be on the right side of history?

At least admit to being a hypocrite, Paul. Then again, you're likely too naive to understand anything you support anyway. Simpleton.
 
gunnerbob said:
Uh huh, the modern police state began under someone else besides your Dear Leader... what's your point? Every POTUS for the last century has in one way or another contributed to the demise of American Liberty, Reagan included. So, since you're such a staunch supporter of Individual Liberty and Freedom, can you please explain why you have and currently do support a Fascism-supporting president? Why is that you say you stood against everything that G.W. Bush did but, support everything Barack Obama does, given the policies are near-identical? Can you explain why you opposed the Iraq war but do nothing but preach tactically nuking IS fighters in the Middle East? Do you believe that the murder of innocents under Obama is any less wrong than under Bush? Why is that you say nothing about reversing the geopolitical policies that got us to where we are, that you simply support more of the same, and somehow claim to be on the right side of history?

At least admit to being a hypocrite, Paul. Then again, you're likely too naive to understand anything you support anyway. Simpleton.
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Damn Bob, I wouldn't slam an outhouse door that hard! :shout: You are correct however, Sten has indulged in the KoolAid much too much and has trouble keeping his thoughts straight. He concentrates too much on basement command posts! If the Republicans win the Senate in November, I want to hear how loud he will squeal!
 
Stengun said:
Howdy,



You do realize that "No-knock warrants" started when Reagan was in office, right?

The panty-waisted right was ok with this practice because it made them feel safer.

It's funny how the panty-waisted right want to blame Obama for things they started so they could feel safer. For some unknown reason the panty-waisted right is willing to give up MY RIGHTS so they can feel safer. What up with that?

Paul

P.S. Didn't someone famous say something about willing to give up your Rights just to feel safer? Seems like I remember something about this.
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As usual, Sten's post fails the smell test. He only is over a decade off. But then he may have been under during those years and wouldn't remember the 70s.
 
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